He finished fourth in passer rating in 2017 and seventh in 2018 while improving his completion percentage by 9% until he inevitably got hurt again. He's tripled and quadrupled his passing touchdown to interception ratio in 2018 and 2019. I'm kind of tired of your whole "trust me I know better than you because I said so," schtick. Support some of what you say with things that make sense beyond you knowing better than everyone because you're you. Wentz has been a pretty good quarterback in his career. He's overpaid and was horrible last year. But that doesn't negate the fact that he's been a solid player. And I live in Eagle country too. A couple Eagles fans you know that are ready to move on from him means absolutely nothing.
The results speak for Allen not Darnold so facts are not on my side... But before the results were there, most thought Darnold was a more accurate + polished passer. Even Buffalo fans were saying after their first few meetings, the Jets got the better Qb. Jordan Palmer compared Darnold to his brother and said Carson had 10 arm strength and 8 accuracy, while Darnold has a 8 arm strength and 10 accuracy so according to him Darnold had elite accuracy. I also remember Bridgewater and McCown raving about the throws he was making in camp in his rookie year. He was on a different level talent wise according to them. It hasn’t worked out and the Jets have the #2 so it’s time to move on... still Darnold was a good prospect and would have succeeded in a better situation. Now did the Jets ruin him, I don’t know...
I honestly dont give a fuck what youre tired of. Your half assed understanding of football doesnt make you smarter than anyone You want stats Qbr rating Hes had an average/below qbr in all but one year. 78.6 was his best. Thats still below the top qbs that season. Dont give me that 102.1 bullshit, Geno Smith did that. Takes a ton of sacks, like 32 a season and he hasnt even played a full season but 2 times and got benched last season and took 50!!!!! 10 gw comebacks in 5 seasons thats it. Only played 16 games in maybe 2 seasons 35-32 as a starter....thats barely 500. This team hasnt been that bad this entire time. And yes theres a correlation to success. Touchdowns and ints dont mean someone is playing good. Completion percentage doesnt mean someone is playing good You take rudimentary infor and confirmation bias and combine them to synthesize a halfassed opinion. Youre not actually looking at the whole picturem hes never been that great but for one season. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
You make an argument and then you provide stats that make sense in the context of the argument to support your argument. Other wise everyone ends up like you in just saying "No bro, I know he sucks and you don't," which creates zero debate and a dumb pissing contest. You don't like stats and then you try to use a stat to justify that argument? Geno Smith's quarterback rating was 66.5 and 77.5 the two years he started for us. So I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You're not the only person that watches the sport religiously and you're certainly not the first to understand it.
I would not say it is impossible to get a late one or a second plus or roughly 600 points in trade value as being reported but based on the small return for Stafford (470 points in trade value) and for Wentz (330 or 550 in trade value depending on the conditional pick) which are both far less in value than either the late 1st round pick or 2nd plus scenario. It seems the odds of the Jets getting such a haul for Darnold are going down.
Both of those deals include absorbing fairly large restrictive contracts though for one or both parties involved. Darnold's doesn't. That opens up a wider range of potential landing places and presumably increases the value as a result.
Ive already seen the stats, so its not my responsibility to provide them to you. If you disagree prove me wrong. You can watch sports but that doesnt mean you understand them as well as you think. Obviously you dont know what im talking about. Basically any qb can look good for short periods of time until team gets tape on them. Thats the whole point. Garbage TDs mean nothing. I made this argument with Fitzpatrick and Cousins, and i was absolutely right on both of then. Carson Wentz total stat line is a bunch of garge time inflations Hence the 7-9, 11-2, 5-6, 9-7, 3-8-1 records. The fact that Foles came in and that team played as well as they did shows you his success was way more than him playing well. Hence he got benched. I can take it a bit further and tell you look at the size of the players he had. He had bigger receivers with better hands and a catch radius. Granted he hasnt had the best receivers, but according to Jets fans....theyre betrer than what we have and hes still missing them time and time again. Another overrated qb who struggles with reads and accuracy. And its evident on his film. That division was terrible last season and he couldnt even capitalize against the poor competition he had consistently. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
How is it garbage time inflation? They lost five of their six games he played in, in 2018 by one score. Five of their seven losses in 2019 were by one score. That's not garbage time and you're talking out of your ass to try to justify a nonsensical point about stats. A lot of times the stats back up the eye test.
In the Stafford deal a Detroit beat writer reported that the Lions took the 2023 1st rounder in compensation for taking Goff so the return for Stafford was actually just a 3rd rounder and 2022 1st rounder or 470 trade value points. So that has already been factored out. In regards to Wentz I have read conflicting reports on his salary. One report said the Colts will only have to pay out 25 million over 3 years and essentially his salary was a bargain with Philly eating most of the dead money but then I read a different article saying his salary was one of the reasons for the low return. So I am not sure what the truth is on Wentz. Edit: To clarify I saw this article on Wentz's salary Which seems to be somewhere in the middle. One year guaranteed and not Goff like but middle to low end for a starting QB. 2021 25.4 2022 22 2023 25 and 2024 26 mill.
Its Wentz's fragile psyche that brings him down more than anything. He doesn't have the "fortitude" to be great. Idk how to measure that. Probably can't but you are doing a decent job. When the Philly coaches have to tell their defensive backs not to intercept the ball in practice so it doesn't upset the QB, that's just a recipe for disaster. That's what happens on bad high school teams let alone NFL franchises Wentz was coddled at North Dakota State and that's what scares me a little about Trey Lance. Also from ND State
No I'm not talking out my ass. That's cool if they lost by one score, but if your down 14, throw 1 td to make it one score against a prevent defense the immediately proceed to lose 30 seconds later, hey that counts.....impressive i guess. Which is what happened a lot. You really think he got benched for 1 bad season? Or because he was obstinate? No he got benched for every other reason i said in my previous post. He plays poorly late early to mid game. Then makes some garbage time plays essentially and inflates a stat line. Cool he completes 60 percent of his passes, but if you understand the eagles offense....which it sounds like you dont, they use short passes instead of runs a lot of times. A very important principle of the offense. So even some of those TDs arent even really about him. Hell there was a point where philadelphia media was practically begging Doug to run more. Ya know who was the running back was when he had that really good year? Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
His "great year" there were only 2 game in which the team threw for over 300 yards. They ran the ball very well that season. Shit they actually ran for over 200 in one. So that team was really stacked. I was just having this conversation with someone about a Mac Jones. He could go to a team with talent look really good, get paid and shit the bed, because the talent around him made him better. Same thing happened here in Philly. This report about wentz came out almost immediately after the super bowl win about how the players didnt really want him to start again because of his behavior. It was a big story locally and thats what made me really start to scrutinize him. You can see now everything that came out in that story was true. I felt he was a reach when they took him in the first place, but they wanted a qb. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
PFT this morning: Trade talk (just on the show): Sam Darnold and our 3rd round pick to the Bears for their #20 pick in this draft. PFT thinks #20 is not enough for the Jets to give up Sam plus a 3rd. Jets would get robbed. Next question was: What sets the Bears up the best? Re-sign Tribisky, Trade a 4th for Kirk Cousins, or the Jets trade (above). PFT panel thinks the Bears would be best off trading their #20 for Sam. Most up-side. For what it's worth.
Wentz is 28 has extensive injury history and Stafford is 33. Both have big contracts $$. There’s a reason 5 teams contacted the Jets - Darnold at just 23 is younger than Joe Burrow... 2019, his 2nd year in 13 games with the worst ranked (32nd) oline and avg offensive talent, he threw 19 tds and didn’t have a good coach. I think he normally goes for a 2nd rounder but with that many teams with a Qb need and unavailable options, the Jets likely get a bit more. You go to other NFL team forums and many really like Darnold, feel the issue is more the Jets + want their team to trade for him. True they want to get him for 3rd rounder or less (I see some say a 5th rounder)... but when you’re the fan who wants the guy, you always think you can get off cheaper. I remember Seattle fans thinking they could get Jamal for less than a 2021 1st...
That's weird, considering he's thrown for the most yards, first downs, and touchdowns in the second and third quarter. That must be because he sucks in the middle of the game though. It's well documented that Wentz's biggest problem is holding on to the ball for too long and looking for bigger players when the smaller ones are there to put longer drives together. Hence why the sacks piled up this year and you just need to watch games to know that. Maybe it's because he's not seeing the field, but he often tries to be young Roethlisberger in throwing defenders off of him to extend plays and it doesn't work because he still holds on to the damn ball after getting a second window of opportunity. They had the fourth lowest YAC in the league last year yet he averaged 10 yards per completion. Bottom half of the league in 2019. I never disputed anything about the character reports. But yeah that seems true.
Actually youre right about one thing. His third quarter stats are better than i stated comapred to the other quarters......his second quarter rating and stats are among his lowest however. Often hes playing from behind, the stats support this, and throwing more which in turn inflates his numbers but shows how bad he really is that they arent higher and hes more successful. His attempts when tied or leading are almost half of what they are when hes trailing, but the stats are better. What the numbers also say is he plays much better when leading by 2 or more scores. I mean its not even a comparison honestly. So he struggles when the pressure is on him to produce and he doesnt. Also if you look at the actual time to go stats in the game.....im correct. He picks up a little more towards the end of the 3rd quarter. When they inevitably start trailing again and his attempts start to increase...check the time to go stats Im absolutely right in my assessment, ive already looked at these numbers. Hes not a good qb. Hes a garbage time qb. Same as Cousins. Inflated numbers when teams take their foot off the gas Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
