Good arm talent is why everyone likes him as a prospect. Not sure where you got aby issues with his throwing strength, thats his bread and butter. I will agree about the leading his recievers to big hits thing. But he def makes NFL throws consistently. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
No disrespect,i just dont think the arm talent is all that impressive.Ive seen the examples people are using,but his throws float & can lack some velocity.
Thats been consistently the one thing every has said is his best feature I just watch jt osullivan breaknhim down and be mightily impressed by many if his throws. Obviously he has work as every single qb comes into the NFL needing it but hes def the real deal. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
When Brady misses a receiver, he misses low so it goes straight into the ground. When Darnold misses it soars over heads and often ends up intercepted. Which of these prospects misses more like Brady and the least like Darnold?
I assume you didn't get the job a PFF. What does that mean for your breakdowns of Sam Darnold here on TGG?
Stats helpnyou correlate what your seeing. I think thats the best way to use em. Like when we had that kirk cousins debate years ago. Stats told us who he really was. Not the overall stats but the pff stuff Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
Thank you for giving honest analysis - that's what I have been waiting to hear, none of that "but he lost a game, especially during covid, so he is no Rogers" nonsense! A lot of good stuff there. Now, I do disagree with a lot of this, but at least I can tell this was an intellectually honest take, and thank you for that. A few things to consider. You GREATLY underestimate Zach's athleticism. From his College recruiting athletic testing 3 years ago, to being multi sport athlete in HS, to jumping over people in College, to getting outside the pocket and throwing on the move to the rushing TDs he got against top 50 FBS defenses, he's got major hops. Not limited outside hashes, that's his strength actually. Ill advised throws into coverage? This is where your disregard for statistics is hurting the analysis. Everyone has these throws. But statistically he has less, in fact leads the College in both fewest TO worthy passes and NFL throws. Take a look at the TJ's analysis Zece posted. That's a reputable guy, played QB in NFL for many years, and broke down play by play. This was against an FBS ranked at the time opponent too. He specifically comments on big arm, great ball velocity, and quick delivery. He also saw, like you did, a few plays where ball floated. Note that was a very small percentage of throws. Then he goes in to analyze why, because he just made these same throws with great velocity earlier. He sees an issue with footwork/mechanics during these few specific throws. Conclusion: big arm, but can improve some mechanics to be more consistent. Your take was bad arm, and finished product. Not trying to discredit you, I just think your analysis is incomplete for the lack of better term, has gaps in nuance, and overall picture. Watching details like every performance I posted earlier, breakdowns by reputable QBs/QB coaches, and looking at stats in the overall context just completes overall picture. Like the guy clearly had a TO worthy throw, but does it happen a lot, the ball comes out flat, but does it happen a lot, and why? These are all the things that are important to look at before concluding analysis.
Im gonna stick to what works for me.I stand by my opinion on Wilson.I respect that others feel differently.
That sounds like Sam as a Jet. Great scouting. They point out he needed to get some negative things coached out of him and the Jets asked Jeremy Bates and Adam Gase to do it. Poor Sam. Sometimes life is not fair.
I didn't even complete the application process because it required hours upon hours of film work and I didn't have time. Was in college and working a job at the time.
One of the biggest indicators to me of what makes an elite QB are two things that are very hard to measure accurately: 1. Having an "innate" sense of the game (and I would also say this applies to all elite athletes in any given sport). 2. A "never say day" mindset, or "winner's mentality". The best example I can use to explain these is Mahomes (and you can throw Watson in there too). When I watched him in college he never quit, he always tried to make something happen. Now by itself that didn't separate him from most other QBs, but what did separate him was his innate feel for the game, both on a general "knowledge of how football is played" and a very specific - how is this game that I'm playing in right now being played. This innate feel enables him to know when to press, when to back off, etc., and that makes all the difference. Neither of these traits can be boiled down into stats and that's why a lot of evaluators IMO overlook them or devalue them.
I agree that he doesn't possess the arm of Mahomes or Allen, but he's got a pretty damn good one. But this is actually where I base my doubt concerning him not playing consistently against top talent. It's hard to know if the "tight windows" he hits now would be there in the pros. I'm not saying they wouldn't be or that he can't elevate his throws to match the speed of the NFL, but it is an unproven aspect at this poing.
Montana to me exemplifies having the ultimate "innate sense of the game" and the "last minute strike mentality" of winners when all the chips are down. I want Montana next clone
It's interesting that the Sam Darnold examined in this article wasn't much in evidence for much of his Jets tenure. This is a reminder that many of these "expert analyses" done on college experience need to be taken with a grain (or more) of salt. Many will say - and have said here - that these evaluations of Darnold were wrong because he didn't really live up to the pre-draft billing. While some of us have said "Where did "Good Sam" go?", believing that these strengths just couldn't have disappeared. And is it possible that these good qualities of his have been wiped out by the shit show he had to endure, ruining his self-confidence and leaving him as a career back up at best? I guess that's the multi-million dollar question that Douglas has to answer.
