Interesting that this assessment was rather mixed, and this was clearly THE BEST game Sam had all year. Some really great throws, but accuracy issues almost every time has been the story since College. I would like though to see his average game assessed, since this game was almost a highlight choice for this season. That's the NE game for example, which was very indicative of his pretty much entire tenure with the Jets.
Very little chance we land Watson, IMO. JD is not going to entertain packages beyond a fair value set by him and his staff. The dysfunctional Texans will ask for three firsts to start the bidding process plus two young defenders. Apparently some here will go all in with that notion but that isn't happening. At least as sure as hell hope so.
I wasn't clear with my post...I meant if Haskins were coming out this year in place of Fields, (ie, no Justin Fields), fans (like you?) would be demanding JD takes Haskins with his #2 overall pick. It's the same every year...fans fall in love with this guy or that guy, most of the time they never pan out.
Yeah, does not look like a small guy compared to Fields, which is a good news, but hard to tell for sure. Trask is a bit bigger - also in the frame.
Trask may be bigger, but he's a statue in the pocket. I have zero interest in Trask or Jones. I'd almost just as soon run a single wing offense or wildcat 100% of the time than have one of those two at QB.
I understood you. However, there is a big difference when you have a far superior prospects like Fields or Wilson. Just because fans want to take a GREAT QB prospect at 2, doesn't mean we would want to take one that's just OK at that spot. Haskins to me is more like poor man's Trask. Talent, yes, but immobile, has OK accuracy, but nothing screams special. I am not taking a guy like that with #2. But when you have a guy like say Wilson, who is historically top in long completions, tight window throws, top in pff advanced passing stats all time, and has size, big arm, and mobility, yeah I would consider at #2. And Fields is not far behind either and has some elite qualities as well that are even better, which prospects like Haskins simply don't have. It's not the same every year. A couple of top QB prospects in this draft are some of the best ones since Luck. Maybe even better than Murray/Burrow for #1 overall in their drafts. We need to take our chance here, unlike Haskins example you gave. Sure, I know you want Watson, and so do I, but Watson is a long shot. Even before news came out that Texans are not even listening to offers and are prepared to wait out, Jets had only about 25% chance of getting him. Wilson/Fields are available for a selection and are realistic options for the team and are basically 100% available baring some miracle. And I think we are lucky to have these options, given their prospect quality, which FAR exceeds .that of Haskins you used as an example.
Why are you still giving this credence? It was said by a Texan's reporter who of course wants the Texan's to get the best deal possible, it was never mentioned by anybody until this reporter put his own suggestion out there. As you said, there is no way on earth JD is giving them Q and 1st's, I very much doubt he will overpay for Watson and like as not we won't get him but until anything 'official' is announced we will have to wait and see.
If I had a pick later in the draft (maybe where Pats are sitting or a little higher), I would take a shot at Mac Jones. But yeah, definitely not at #2. Really hoping Zack bulks up and measures out well, and passes medical evaluations, the kid seems to have the tools to be special. If not, then Fields, who is a great prospect in his own right and has rare combination of clean pocket accuracy, big arm, size, athleticism, and mobility.
Obviously it's my opinion but there are certain QBs who are skilled and talented but once they get smacked and tested in the NFL they realize the game isnt easy. When the game comes easy for you and your are playing against lower competition it's easy to stay motivated, but when the talent level equals out then some guys have a hard time adjusting and raising there game. He just fits that profile imo. Idk if hes rich, immature, I cant say. But it's the mix of interviews and the way he plays the game that reminds me of guys who flamed out like him. I hope I'm very wrong.
When I am looking at advanced stats now, guys like Sam, D Jones, Rosen, Trubisky, Haskins, and Allen don't look like great prospects. Allen obviously had a great year, but he may be the one to beat the odds. And even with him, let's see what happens next year. Rosen definitely wasn't "couldn't miss". A statue with non-elite adjusted completion %, not great deep passing %, and not great when kept clean is not a can't miss prospect. he was just OK. Guys like Wilson is crème of the crop of these advanced stats, plus passes the eye test, well reviewed by reputable QB coaches who analyze every prospect, mobile, big arm, decent size (if measures 6-2, 6-3 as listed). They don't come around too often. In another post I mentioned that I was skeptical of Lance, given lack of data. Previous QB before him, an absolute scrub, also put up great stats close to that of Lance and also won FSC championship. In contrast, the guy before Wilson for BYU, Taysom Hill, in his 5th (and best) year for the same program put together about half of Zach's rating, who actually had passed Young for best completion % for that school. The point is that prospects, like Wilson, that we see this year are for real. Sure, they could bust, but no one if offering us Watson just yet for a good price. So, minimize the risk and grab the one that gives you the best chance. In my opinion that would be Wilson, baring his measurements and medical.
You are right, we will have to wait and see, but don’t you think the Rams deal kind of sets the base for multiple firsts. It will be interesting to see what Wentz fetches on a trade.
To be fair New England was his worst game. So that assessment would also be invalid. But the point of this video is Darnold has the tools and ability to make some elite level plays. Obviously he has also made some bonehead plays also. I can honestly say its 3 years and I dont know what we have with Sam. I guess its due to injuries to him, lack of talent around him, and coaching. But I cant see how guys can be in love with him or hate him. I wouldnt blame the Jets if they traded for Watson but I dont want to give up 3 first rd draft picks for a guy who is forcing his way out of 1 bad team to another bad team. I dont think the rookie QBs would do any better than Sam but that would save some $, but to me it should be about winning. So the only choices for me are trade for Watson or Keep Sam and build around him. Draft the best WR and build the Oline.
I understand that but why weren't these advanced Stats used on the 2018 class who were labelled the best class since 84, now that is a big claim, a claim made by experts and not fans? Again this year nobody has a bad word to say about any of them bar oddly Lawrence who folk seem to be in a big rush to kick him the nuts for some reason but again they all will not be roaring successes will they? Has a draft class ever all shone before when taken in the top 10 top 20?
Thanks. Who knows? You could be right. If we draft him at #2, I hope not. I would be surprised if that's the case, but guess that anything is possible.
Not really, the Lions got an extra 1st to take the over the top contract off the Rams hands and really shouldn't impact any other trade, unless it is another one taking an absurd contract on.
Watson is not forcing himself out from Houston because they're a bad team. It's because the ownership and FO are crazy and totally incompetent/dysfunctional, dishonest, and quite possibly racist. I can almost guarantee you that which ever QB we draft will be better than Sam. It would be extremely difficult for any of them not to be. I don't believe that JD is an idiot like Mac. He will fix the OL, and I think he will add weapons around the QB, and that QB will have every chance to succeed. He will have a more stable situation with the same HC, and hopefully OC for the next 3 years. Even if the OC changes, I would think that the system will not, so he will have stability. Saleh would have to prove to be totally incompetent not to be here for at least 3-4 years.
No, NE would be a fair assessment. If not for anything else, look at his rating for that game. It was 76, while his overall average 73. Rams game was just under 100, which is his best game (never quite reached 100 in ANY game last year). So, if we are fair, we have to use NE game or something in low 70s. It's interesting though that you thought NE was the worst game, when it is in fact above his average! As far as point of the video, I agree it captures the fact he CAN make big throws, he is inaccurate. It does not capture the fact he is still TO prone, more so than ever. These were the things about him from 5 years ago when he was in College. It's the same exact story now. CAN make big throws, but generally inaccurate and too many TOs. The difference is that it is now 3 years after College. Whether it is his fault, Gase's, talent, all of the above, is not as relevant at this point as rookie contract is over in a year, and he is FA. All while we have the pick now to select a prospect that's even better than Sam was 3 years ago according to every advanced or basic statistical measure, and hasn't gotten an opportunity yet to improve in NFL, in contrast to Sam who got it and regressed.
I only looked at last 5 year advanced stats and can tell you this class looks best. Not to take away from 2018, but prospects this year are even better. And Lawrence is consensus #1, not sure who kicked him in the nuts, I recall most of us were pretty mad when we lost him. I do feel better now after studying Wilson, but would gladly draft Trevor if we had #1 still.
They were, and they said Baker was the best prospect, which has likely turned out to be true (Allen is an anomaly, almost nobody that inaccurate improves that much). Darnold being the best prospect was a media narrative parroted by the Kiper types.
Thanks for this video. I like his analyses. As I'm watching this however I have to disagree with his take that the throw to the corner of the EZ at 2:13 is a good throw. Now JT does say "I don't know if you SHOULD throw this ball, but it was a ridiculous throw". For me, it highlights one of Darnold's biggest problems: he doesn't see guys he should be throwing to. For one, the crossing pattern was there, but Darnold looked off it too soon and didn't see it and then had to bail. Then on the throw he finally did make, he should've actually thrown it to the other receiver to the left who was pretty wide open and probably could've scored. JT says the guy he threw to should've held onto to it, but it was definitely NOT a "dime" as he called it. All I can say to the plus side for Sam is that it shows he has a great arm. JT does a good job of calling out the situations where Sam just doesn't react quick enough, and we don't know why. Bottom line: He has great physical talent and that could still be developed, but it's troubling that he's still having these other issues. I'm guessing Douglas will move him for the right price, and will be looking for an upgrade in FA/trade/Draft.
