Lmao you're basic math is entertainingly simple. Brady or Brees would more than erase those deficits based on their own career stats. So that argument doesnt make sense I actually have repeatedly pointed to stats and numbers that support my argument, trust me i dont need you to make it for me, you wouldn't be able to do it What I am saying to you sonce your comprehension is so low, is that of you dont agree prove me wrong.....but you won't be able to. The oline wasnt as awful as people make it out to be, in fact, if you look it up and look at pressures percentage, look at some of those teams in the top of that category, its not the Bengals and Jags. Its teams like that. Like 7 of the top 10 or so were PLAYOFF TEAMS!!! Jets had 49 qb hits which is like half the number one teams number. That tells you teams know all they have to do to Sam is blitz and pressure him and he will struggle. Sam stats on PA..... abysmal The recieving corp.....29 drops. Thats middling the Bills, Dolphins, Patriots, Cowboys, Steelers and Panthers all had more....which is impressive considering our top 3 recieving targets didnt even play together until midway thru the season. Before you get any ideas, buffalo was a top passing offense and thier drop percent was 7.0 compared to our 5.6 Do a deep dive and show me im wrong. You wont tho Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
you're right- we should have signed Tom Brady or lured Drew Breese to come to NY via trade... that's cool man, but you still haven't back up the "Sneak into the playoffs" comment. It's purely speculation. GOOD DAY SIR. I have better things to do than argue with a college kid about how the Jets had a playoff caliber team minus Sam. have a nice day
Was just trying to say that upgrading hugely at QB can have a striking impact on wins and losses. I don't want the Jets to sign a veteran with the intention of starting him.
Ummm I run an FQHC site. I contribute more to the well being of our citizens than you ever do. But you dont and cant prove me wrong and you saw my stats and you have no counter. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
I've never seen anything like it. When Sanchez and Geno played like garbage they were skewered for it. I think it's because people convinced themselves without a doubt that Sam was our savior when we drafted him. It's just impossible for some people to admit they were wrong. I mean yesterday I had someone here literally making up stats that Sam had in college to try to prove his point lol. It's nuts.
Clean pocket for the Jets means every WR was covered. DUH! The protection was terrible. Stop being stats junkies. Darnold beat a Rams D who demolished the Seahawks. A fully healthy Browns D. I don’t care if their WRs were out. That was the 1st half of the season for us. literally the Colts game, cold turkey in the season for Darnold. Baker shit the bed too with no talent. shut it. The kid is good but in a god awful terrible situation. Throwing to Perriman as his #1 and no RBs. LMAO Dude bell didn’t even play a snap with Chiefs. Darnold haters think 23 year old kids ball out by themselves in the NFL with zero elite help. my gawwwwd! go grab a drink or get laid.
This is either a short memory or revisionist history, because there were epic threads supporting Sanchez for years, even though he got the roster help he needed and still remained at the bottom of the league in terms of passing. Mainly because of the 2 AFCC appearances. The one common thing throughout the years is the manner of disrespect the people who want a new QB show towards anyone that disagrees with them.
That still doesnt mean Sam is better. There is nothing in his history that ever said he was going to be that good. Its honestly just a reach. After 3 season and how many, maybe one or two comeback wins? Its pretty clear he just cant play at the top in this level. Geno had a perfect rating one if his last starts if a season and i definitely remember people still wanting him gone. It was def way worse than this with his hate Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
Well said. Sadly, I think it goes deeper than that, I’ve suggested moving on, but the hatred for Darnold runs so deep, at this point you can’t even have an opinion he was a good college prospect without being attacked. BTW - I’m the guy who “made up the pro-Darnold stats” he is referring too. Nothing was made up, he just didn’t like what was said.
That wasnt necessary in response to you personally making an argument. Just a piggy back off your statement Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
The Jets ranked 31st in run-block win rate and 28th in pass-block win rate per NFL next gen stats. The only 2 guys who should be back starting next year are McGovern and Becton. I’m not supporting Darnold by stating the above, I’m just saying the oline was bad + serious efforts need to be made to enhance it for our next Qb. It’s pretty complex when you look at the Jets struggles, Frank Gore tied or lead the team in carries in all games but 1 (when he had a concussion). The Jets were the worst big play running team in the league as a result. As far as WR and drop rates... the drop rate itself is not what is important. For instance, Buffalo has Stephon Diggs, who is the best WR in the NFL and constantly open - winning his matchup - lead the league in catches/yards. Buffalo’s Oline is far better than the Jets. Josh Allen with a true #1 WR, solid run game and Oline... threw nearly double the TD’s (37 vs 20) and 1500 more yards. During and after the 2019 season, many Buffalo fans were saying Josh Allen is not FQB... Also lets be honest, letting Robbie walk was a big mistake. The Jets have no one who can stretch the field. The Jets need to build a better team and offensive philosophy. People hammered Bates, but at least Darnold showed glimpses in 2018. This is one of those things where you really don’t know the root cause. Flacco looked terrible too, so I think it’s mad concoction of a little bit of everything needing to improve vs simply Qb play. I don’t think Darnold has played well enough to continue as our Qb, but I don’t think the Jets helped him + I do think he could be a solid NFL starter somewhere else. Time for our next young Qb, let’s hope we build right this time.
Ok you replied with actual numbers, so thanks for that. (No sarcasm) But again if you out that with the info i gave you, its clear that teams blitzed him more because they knew it was effective. The numbers you gave with the numbers i ahd paint a pretty clear picture that goes with what you saw all season. Lots of blitzes, 8 guys in the box make Sam quick read. I mean the ghost game, NE practically blitzed every down. Ever since that game, Sam has just gone downhill and teams copied it. So its just been a negative feedback. Im not saying the oline was the greatest, just that they were very middling and more than enough for Sam to show some flashes and some consistency. He just wasnt. I think thats why he was always so good on that first drive of games. It was planned and he just executed. One teams had adjusted. He just didnt know what to do. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
What’s the biggest difference from 2019 vs 2020... Robbie Anderson... The Jets had no one who could get deep, force safety/double coverage. Free defender means more blitzing. The Jets WR’s really were not good imo. It’s not to say Darnold handled the blitz well, but that’s not on him alone. I don’t want to make excuses for Darnold, but Gase was not very good with in game adjustments and game planning. He has coached Qb’s all through his career - one way - his way... I remember when Darnold challenged him because he was being put into uncomfortable plays all the time and Gase said, I’m really glad he did that. He’s a guy who can talk X and O’s but has zero feel tor the game or what defenses are doing. Proof is what Qb’s do before and after Gase. As far as the oline being close to average, I don’t see that as an opinion shared by many. McGovern started off terribly and eventually played solid. Becton was hurt a lot, showed tremendous ability, but was a rookie and allowed 7 sacks. These were by far our best 2 lineman... The Jets guards are among the worst starters in the league. Fant was so-so... about avg pass blocking, I remember reading a stats that he ranked like 60 of 63 run blocking. I will be shocked if the Jets don’t have 3 new starters next year on oline.
Sam averaged less than 200 yards and only 1.5 TD's per game vs. the Rams and Browns. Easy there with the "Darnold beat them". The defense was mainly responsible for those wins. Also the Browns game is a complete anomaly, you can't just brush aside them losing their top 4 WR's a day before the game. That's a gigantic factor. Turns out the people wanting a new QB have always been correct throughout recent Jets history. Perhaps we just learn from the past?
Darnold doesn’t call the plays or block, run routes, and catch the ball. So the rest of the guys playing below average don’t matter. All the drops in the first few games. injured Wrs all thru camp and first 8 games. No-show Bell with hammy. Stats don’t tell this story. Oh he came back from behind to seemingly beat the Raiders until GregW shit the bed. We’re were down two TDs. Darnold came back. yep he did! That’s another W. And Flacco couldn’t win either. and he has a Super Bowl ring.
The Jets were near lowest in the league in terms of drops throughout the 2020 season. They were also nearly the highest in terms of bad pass %. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/advanced.htm
