Can we all agree that regardless the team would be so much better with a running game regardless of QB? It might help PA, it might not, but it undoubtedly would help the running game.
I actually agree Sam may turn his career around, I just find it unlikely to go from where he is now to FQB in one year. If it does not happen in one year, whoever trades for him will not franchise tag him and will have no rights. If Sam were still on rookie deal, his value would be higher, but he is essentially entering the last year of it. So, yes you win big if he becomes FQB in one year, but if he doesn't and is a solid back-up, someone else can sign him as unrestricted FA by just offering more guaranteed money, and your first round pick becomes a rental or you have to overpay. Second rounder I think IS possible, but perhaps it would have to be during the draft, when top QBs are off the board and a team that missed out is looking for the next best thing. JD is in a decent spot where he doesn't have to trade Sam even if he drafts Wilson, since Wilson needs some time, and Jets need experienced QB anyway. So, he will not be desperate even with a rookie QB, while these that miss out on top QB prospects might be more so.
What scares me about all of this is JD has had two yrs with Sam, the guy set him up to fail this past yr, Not re-signing Robbie Anderson, replacing Gore over Bell, not giving him any weapons on offense. Playing QB is so much confidence, yet our GM did nothing to help Sam. Keeping Gase. if we are going forward with Sam, JD has done the worst possible job of helping this guy since he has been hired, Becton and Mims are all he given to him. Mims with 22 catches
I just heard the Hahn interview on the Kay show...yikes. These guys definitely dimed Sam out, they can both fuck off - one of them sucked and the other couldn’t stay healthy for more than five straight series.
In JD’s defense he tried to address Oline in multiple ways. Keeping Gase was not his call. He did draft Mims and sign Perriman so he did not completely ignore WR. He admittedly said he miscalculated the Robby market and thought he would get more.
Ya but a lot of owners and a few GMs don't really listen to their scouts. They remember Sam was the cats ass in 2018 (they were probably at his pro day), but he was drafted by a Jets team that's been horrible and at best, dysfunctional. That alone is enough for at least a few GMs, who are desperate for a QB, to pick up the phone.
Ya that's the thing. Even if JD would prefer to replace Sam, the options might not be there. He will probably lose the Watson sweepstakes. When JD looks at the draft, he might not see a FQB there to use his #2 overall on. I know some fans on here are like "Sam is horrible, we MUST replace him, and we won't draft this high again so now's the time to get our future QB". And if Trevor was available to us, they would be right. But if the other QBs are only good enough to get us to Base Camp #1 and not to the top of the mountain, then why waste the draft pick? Start building our team (finally).
Well I was referring to last year. They signed Foles and Nagy was itching to play him all year. If there was a market for Trubisky I'm sure they would've moved him.
I think Sam could be back as the veteran QB along with Morgan and a rookie (if we don't trade for Watson), but I could also see Sam being traded to get more draft capital and then just signing a cheap FA QB.
https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/02/03/...ets-wr-denzel-mims-was-targeted-infrequently/ 3 reasons why New York Jets WR Denzel Mims was targeted infrequently By Michael Nania - 02/03/2021 Rookie wide receiver Denzel Mims always seemed to deliver when given a chance, but the New York Jets rarely looked his way in 2020. Why? Young Denzel Mims always seemed to come through when presented with a feasible opportunity to make a play down the field. His average of 15.5 yards per reception ranked at the 85th percentile among 116 qualified wide receivers, while his 10.9 air yards per reception ranked at the 83rd percentile. Mims also impressed with soft hands, dropping just one pass against his 23 receptions. That’s a drop rate of 4.2%, good enough for the 74th percentile. However, Mims was never able to truly break out due to a severe lack of targets. Seeing just 44 passes thrown his way over nine games (4.9 per game) even while playing 83% of the team’s offensive snaps on average, Mims’ lack of involvement in the offense was puzzling. Mims’ 44 targets came over 247 routes run, giving him an average of one target per 5.6 routes run. That placed him 67th among the 99 wide receivers to see at least 40 targets. In comparison, Braxton Berrios received 55 targets over 185 routes run. That’s a star-level frequency of one target per 3.4 routes, trailing only Davante Adams (3.1) among wide receivers with 40+ targets. Mims was involved at a solid level to start out his career, but his involvement took a drastic dip over his final four games, which was strange after how promisingly he started the season. After getting 33 targets over his first five games (6.6 per game), delivering on those opportunities with 56.8 yards per game, Mims got just 11 targets over his final four (2.8 per game). On a per-route basis, Mims dipped from one target per 4.3 routes over his first five games (equal to Cole Beasley‘s 22nd-ranked mark on the season among 99 qualifiers) to one target per 9.6 routes over his final four games (would be second-least frequent among the 99 qualifiers). What’s going on here? Why was Mims targeted at such a low rate despite his flashes of brilliance within a Jets passing attack that desperately needed a spark? Here are the three primary reasons for Mims’ lack of targets. 1. Mims was missed when open at a high rate There were far too many plays in which Mims got open and did not have the ball thrown his way. Sam Darnold just wasn’t finding him. On this play against Miami in Week 12, Mims beats Xavien Howard over the middle on a pivot route, but Darnold bails the pocket and misses him, scrambling and throwing a brutal interception. Video Player 00:00 00:18 Later in the Miami game, Mims cooks handsomely-paid cornerback Byron Jones on a slant and is open, but Darnold never checks the left side of the field, locking on to Breshad Perriman and throwing another bad interception. Video Player 00:00 00:13 On a first-and-10 play in Rams territory, Mims is left with plenty of room between the deep and underneath defenders on a fade route (as the underneath CB stays home to play Jamison Crowder‘s whip route to the outside), and Darnold gives him a look, but he strangely opts to tuck-and-run for only nine yards instead of taking advantage of a golden opportunity to hit Mims for an easy 20-or-so yards. Video Player 00:00 00:13 Mims clears the linebackers on a crossing route and is wide open for 15+ yards as the intermediate option on a first-and-10 play-action rollout, but Darnold instead goes conservative and hits Crowder for a much smaller gain that ends up shy of the first down marker. Video Player 00:00 00:18 This one isn’t Darnold’s fault, but nonetheless, it is an example of an open Mims being left out in the cold. Mims burns Denzel Ward on a stutter-go and creates plenty of separation for a potential touchdown on the left side, but the pressure (Olivier Vernon versus George Fant with Chris Herndon failing to help out) forces Darnold to scramble to his right and miss Mims (although Darnold never looked left anyway). We can pin this one on the offensive line over Darnold, but yet again, Mims gets open with nothing to show for it. Video Player 00:00 00:19 Here’s another one that can be pinned on the offensive line. Mims eventually breaks wide open on a post route for a likely touchdown as the single-high safety makes an incredibly poor decision to break on the intermediate route by Crowder, but Darnold doesn’t get enough time to potentially find him as the entire offensive line (save for Fant) collapses. Video Player 00:00 00:12 Make no mistake about it: if he were hit when open at a normal rate, Mims’ numbers would have been substantially more impressive.
2. Adam Gase‘s misusage of Mims Adam Gase did not do a good job of drawing up favorable opportunities for Mims. Oftentimes, Mims had no chance whatsoever of making a play due to the assignment that was called for him, and there are a lot of examples of this on film. Near the end of the season, Gase often used Mims as a decoy instead of a featured option. Mims ran a ton of clear-outs in which he was simply sent down the field to open up space underneath. Sometimes this worked effectively, sometimes it didn’t, but either way, it explains a big part of why Mims was not getting many targets. Here, Mims sprints downfield to clear out space for an (unsuccessful) Frank Gore screen. Video Player 00:00 00:05 Mims sprints up the sideline to clear out room for a designed swing pass to Ty Johnson. Video Player 00:00 00:06 A Mims clear-out finally works. Mims carries his man up the field on a corner route while also forcing the safety to stay over top, opening up Crowder for a 10-yard gain. Video Player 00:00 00:07 More success with Mims drawing attention. Mims is sent deep on what looks like a corner route. He is bracketed by two defenders in a Cover-3, so there’s absolutely nothing he can do here to get himself open, but his route opens up room for Perriman to pick up an easy 21-yard gain. Video Player 00:00 00:06 Altogether, there just was not much creativity in how Mims was utilized in 2020. He ran vertical routes – typically simple go routes – the majority of the time, and when a player is utilized that way, he does not have much control over how frequently he is open or targeted. Sometimes, the defense hands a receiver a favorable one-on-one opportunity, and sometimes, he is faced with safety help over the top and has no chance of getting himself open. These are things that the receiver cannot control but have a huge impact on his production. Here is an example. Mims does a great job of beating the cornerback’s press coverage at the line, defeating the hands and avoiding contact to free himself up the sideline, but with a safety lurking over the top in Cover-2, there is just no way Mims is getting the ball here no matter what he does. Video Player 00:00 00:10 Mims runs a fade in the red zone, but once again, with a safety sitting over the top, there is no way Mims is getting a target simply due to the result of the rock-paper-scissors game between the two coaching staffs, which is beyond his control. Las Vegas called the right defense to eliminate Mims’ route. He can’t do anything about that. Video Player 00:00 00:05 Used in such a stagnant way by Gase throughout his rookie season, Mims’ separation tended to be less a product of his own ability to beat defenders and more of a dice-roll based on whether Gase could win the chess match on that particular play. In 2021, Mike LaFleur and the Jets’ new offensive staff need to focus on diversifying Mims’ deployment. If the Jets can give Mims more chances with a variety of different route types and make him the focal point of a concept more often, he should have greater control over his own destiny, raising his production ceiling.
Sounds like Denzel made the rounds today. I am sure he is going to get coached up from the Jets media relations team.
"Nothing"? He very deliberately played it tight to the vest in free agency, knowing full well that a wholesale rebuild was in order. He probably talked to Robbie for an hour and decided he was braindead. Then he went LT, WR in the first two rounds.
This is a good point about a new team potentially losing Sam after one season. Maybe they can do a team friendly 1 or 2 year extension before a trade is official. I agree, that makes it even riskier if you are giving up a 1st round pick. Yeah, that is another good point, and one people seem to forget. Sam might not be ideal, but you don't want to replace him with another QB that isn't an upgrade. Especially if you are giving up a valuable pick like #2 overall to do so.
good point unfortunately my sister probably has the temperament for the running game, but that's about it.
Yup, but even if say Fields would be an upgrade over Sam, and JD used his #2 overall getting that upgrade, but that upgrade still isn't enough to get us rings. Joe would have used our primum pick on a good but not FQB great and wasted the next 3 years of our franchise, only for the Jets to top out a 8-8, 9-7, and occasionally get the last WC spot, only to be sent home right after the game.
Yes, it does when taken as a representative slice of the NFL. What it does not do is compare a Gase designed offense to the benchmark developed here. Of course, it could be that the QB is a more important factor than the play designer/caller but we would need a stats expert to extract that data. It would be interesting for someone to dig up five years of a guru's success regardless of which QB was on the field to see if the passes actually do go farther with play action.
3. Mims needs to improve his route-running As Joe Blewett has broken down with enormous detail in many episodes of Blewett’s Blitz, Mims still has plenty of work to do on his route-running. He often flashes elite potential in this area thanks to his size, explosiveness, savvy hands, and occasional glimpses of slick footwork, but the consistency isn’t there yet. Mims had his fair share of reps in 2020 where he was unable to beat his man and present himself as a quality target. Mims tries to set up a comeback route here, but cannot get the cornerback to bite on the vertical route. The corner is right in Mims’ hip pocket as he attempts to pivot back towards the quarterback. Video Player 00:00 00:06 Mims stems inside on a curl route about 10 yards downfield, but his elongated break carries him about three yards beyond the desired landmark, allowing the cornerback to stay attached to him. Video Player 00:00 00:06 Out of the slot, Mims looks to beat his man over the middle on a slant, but he lacks explosion at the top of his route, not putting enough force into his break step (fourth step, with outside foot). In addition, he needs to keep his route flat with the defensive back playing in a trail position, but by going too vertical, Mims allows him to undercut the route. Mims is shut down, playing a partial role in Darnold being sacked. Video Player 00:00 00:05 All-in-all, Mims’ lack of targets is mostly to blame on factors beyond his control, namely Darnold’s field vision and Gase’s usage. A touch of blame goes to the occasional offensive line breakdown on a play in which he was open. However, Mims still has to improve his route-running. If he can become elite in that facet of the game – which he certainly has the potential to do – he will always get his fair share of opportunities on a weekly basis regardless of the mishaps that occur around him. Until he does master the art of creating separation, Mims’ target volume may remain sporadic and dependent on factors he cannot control. That’s perfectly fine, as he can still be a very impactful player without getting an absurd number of targets, but if high-volume production is the goal, strong route-running will be necessary. Regardless, the main takeaway of this piece should be clear: Mims should have been targeted a lot more in 2020. Darnold and Gase didn’t do their part in getting him involved.
