We find fault in it because there's no precedent for a QB as bad as Darnold garnering a 1st round pick. Of course we'd love it if it did happen. We're just saying it's extremely unlikely to happen.
not true. happens all the time Sam Bradford, Jay Cutler, Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Rob Johnson, Rick Mirer. Just a list of bums traded for 1st round picks I could think of. There are more of course
goff is a good QB....he just loses it mentally at times - u have to stay on him like testaverde. that was becoming an issue for mcvay, hence a trade. just relaying what i have been told from someone in cal.
Watson and Burrow are the two best examples. Burrow's offensive line was the worst in the league. Minshew is another example, way better production than Sam on a bad team. Trubisky is another. Bridgewater, Daniel Jones are others. Haskins had about the same production as Sam this year. I said QB's as bad as Sam. Sam makes those guys look like Patrick Mahomes.
First, what comprises "Passing Value Added"? But for the sake of argument, let's say it's meaningful, what you and all the other Darnold bashers are ignoring is the cumulative effect of having to play three seasons with sub-NFL talent, two sub-NFL coaches, and having to learn two entirely new systems in that time. Not to mention having missed almost a quarter of the games played, as well as having no P.S. played this year. The net effect of all that is that he's really closer to a 2 year vet. What other QBs have had to do that? This isn't to say that he hasn't contributed to his own struggles, but to declare that he's trash and won't even be any better than that is an huge over reaction. All that said, I'm all for replacing him, mainly because there are a number of good options, beginning with Watson, and including the top 4-5 QBs coming out this year. Taking one of those options is my preference, especially the Watson option if the price isn't outrageous (I'd give the #2, next year's Seattle 1st rounder, Darnold, and a mid round pick in 2023 tops). But I wouldn't slit my wrists if they keep Darnold and surround him with actual NFL talent and good coaching, and I think anyone who is counting on them getting rid of Darnold might be in for a big disappointment.
Sorry, but first, that doesn't constitute "plenty of other QBs" by my measure. Second, all those you mentioned had better talent around them, and didn't have to try and learn two different systems in three years. Moreover, they weren't forced to try and adjust to a system that was actually the opposite of what they're best suited to run, as Gase did with Darnold. Seriously, if you wanted to invent a way to guarantee ruining a QB, you couldn't do any better than the Jets did. And no, for the millionth time, I am NOT saying Darnold will become a FQB ever, He may be ruined - although I don't think so. And yes, he has to shoulder some of the blame too, but you're completely discounting the massive hole he was put in form Day 1. I'd have to go back to David Carr with Houston, or Steve Young with Tampa Bay to even try to find comparable situations, and even then neither had to learn two completely different systems in three years. It would be SOJs to see Darnold go somewhere else - Patriots? - and take off.
How about rookie Justin Herbert with no o-line, throwing to jalen guyton and kalen ballage as his rb? What a cast right?
Darnold would definitely be better with better talent and coaching. Who wouldn't? Would he be elite or close to it? Not a chance.
PVA is: "calculated by taking each quarterback’s Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt average relative to league average in each season, and multiplying that by the number of dropbacks." ANY/A is the single most comprehensive stat for grading QB's that we currently have. Who's the common denominator in Sam's first three seasons? Sam is. I think we need to seriously consider the possibility that it's been Sam making everyone around him look worse this entire time rather than everyone else around him making Sam look worse. There's some evidence to support that (Robbie Anderson being the prime example). Sacks are just as much a QB stat as an OL stat. QB's who decisively get the ball out quickly are sacked less often. Even putting that aside though, Sam was the only QB in the entire NFL with a negative EPA from a clean pocket this season. I'm sorry but there's just too much evidence. You are ignoring reality to avoid admitting you were wrong about Darnold this entire season. You've come around a bit lately but come on.
Maybe so, but I've never liked Goff or seen the attraction. IMO he doesn't have an NFL arm, isn't a great leader, and he is pretty immobile. At least Sam has physical talent and still has potential. I think Goff has already reached his ceiling.
That's the thing. Of course he'd be better with better surrounding talent and coaches. But would those things catapult him from by far the worst starter in the league to anything remotely resembling good enough? Probably not.
Still more talent on the whole than Darnold has had for three years. But even if I grant that Herbert's situation was as bad, that's not "Plenty of other QBs". People trashing Darnold just aren't be honest in their assessment.
I never said he'd be elite (although I wouldn't completely rule it out either). But he could be good enough to win a SB, He's damn sure better than Sanchez was.
I agree that Darnold has contributed to making those around him look worse at times. I've said so during game threads. Yes, football is a team sport and when one player struggles - especially the QB - it affects all of them. But the impact has been far more the case of the surrounding talent and coaching dragging Darnold down. Then when that happens, he drags the rest of the team down, and it becomes a downward spiral. And again, you and others completely ignore the impact of bad coaching. Gase's playcalling with respects to what Darnold does well and what he doesn't was completely out of touch. Gase wanted a more mobile QB than Darnold was, and even then his schemes would've likely fialed because they were too complicated given the horrible OL to allow the plays to unfold. As to the stat you mentioned, if you can't factor in elements like quality of surrounding talent, coaching, strength of opponent, these stats aren't very meaningful.
Less than elite QBs have won super bowls, but why handicap yourself to that by choice? Elite QBs contend far more consistently (and win).
With the exception of Watson, there are absolutely no guaranteed elite pro QBs available, and even with Watson, it's very unlikely that Douglas would pay what Houston is asking. The fact is that no one has seen Darnold play in even reasonable conditions since he's arrived here. All that said, I personally prefer they replace Darnold, but it may well not happen, and in that case I don't believe that means Darnold will fail.
Sam is talented, 23, cheap and under team control. Good stuff for a club that is rebuilding. Oh, the Jets are rebuilding!!
We just have 2 different views. You are cut and dry. Here are the stats. Here is the lack of production. Sam is terrible. Move on. Where I see all of the factors that led to the stats and the lack of production. I think they can be greatly improved in the future with the proper surroundings and you think they can't be. You put more blame on Darnold instead of everything around him. Nothing wrong with that. You could be right. Those are just our perspectives.
