WR vs DB Senior Bowl

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  1. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    Decent highlights of DB and WR

    Demetrc Felton stands out, very clean route running, I know he’s a RB but he looks like a nightmare to deal with, speed, runs good routes, not sure how he’s is at blocking blitzes though.



     
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    Rhamondre Stevenson will be playing in this game, big RB (245 lbs.) I like backs that can physically wear down a defense. Would be a nice pick for the Jets at the top of the 3rd round.
     
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    I was watching the CBs and felt bad for them, they have one of the toughest positions to play. They definitely earn their money.
     
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    I watched about 3/4 of the game and the CB's actually did well. They broke up a lot of passes on both teams. QBing left a lot to be desired though. None stood out to me. One guy who played pretty well was Elerson Smith EDGE Northern Iowa 6'6" 260.
     
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    Only problem with Stevenson is does he have the speed to play in Lafleur scheme.

    From what I understand it needs a fast RB to get to ends quickly during sweeps.
     
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    I doubt it. He seems to me to be a tackle to tackle guy. I think he has some straight ahead speed but not the kind of quickness you're talking about. I don't know much about Lefleur, but IMO any team can use a guy who can reliably get a yard or two when needed. I feel this is a guy who will be tough to stop on short yardage and goal line situations which is an area the Jets have had their troubles in recent years.
     
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    Stevenson could end up being a monster. He is a big bruising runner. But I imagine he's going to end up more like Fournette than Derrick Henry. I don't think he's athletic enough in space or can turn the burners on after shedding tacklers.

    He seeks contact like a motherfucker though. He'll be a good addition to a team if they keep him fresh and let him run into a power scheme in the fourth quarter.
     
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    Don’t think Stevenson has enough juice to get to the edge. I don’t think Perine fits here but we will see. Ty Johnson and Adams IMO have a good shot here.

    also I’d love Felton as a fallback for the slot just in case something odd happens and the Jets DONT grab a Toney or a top WR in this class.
     
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    Johnson and Adams are not get to the edge runners. They are more effective tackle to tackle. If the criteria for drafting a RB is getting to the edge then Travis Etienne or a guy we saw yesterday, Michael Carter should be the selections. I doubt the new OC is going to run all plays to the edge. In the NFL being predicable is the kiss of death.
     
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    Creed Humphrey was a beast yesterday
     
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    It's not so much about speed as it is shifting into a higher gear once the hole is recognized. I think Adams/Johnson actually fit that bill pretty well. A runningback before the third would be a waste. I love Najee Harris but I'm not sure he's a good fit for what LaFleur will likely want to do.
     
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    Nothing against Johnson and Adams, but neither of these guys are the second coming of Curtis Martin. I think what we saw as their limited success in the second half of the season was the result of holes opened up by the Becton/Elflein combo on the line. If Lefleur is smart, he'll recognize that strength and utilize it. Getting a back that take advantage of that whether it's Stevenson, Etienne, or Harris should be a priority.
     
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    Not sure why you would think they aren’t guys who can get to the edge when they displayed such ability last year, Ty definitely has the speed to get there. He was really good on off tackle runs and runs that got to the outside.
     
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    Sorry I didn’t get back to you sooner on senior bowl question, while I like the senior bowl I didn’t get to watch it from beginning to end. I can’t shed light on many of players.

    However I will say, Demetric Felton continued to display a consistent level of productivity.

    It’s tough to judge these guys as well because they have never played on same team so they have very little chemistry.

    Wish I could have been more helpful.
     
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    Nah all good. Wish I had a chance to watch this year but I try not to put too much stock into it. The one on one drills for offensive lineman and defensive lineman are the ones that are especially misleading to me. Feels like there's always a light-footed offensive tackle that "wows" because they have unlimited real estate to kick with. Same goes for the defensive lineman

    Jason Spriggs for the Packers always sticks in my mind. If I remember correctly he destroyed everyone at the Senior Bowl and can't get on the field for the Packers. Same for Josh Jones from Houston last year even though he's just a rookie.

    Happy to hear for Felton the person. Chip had him caught between being a back and a receiver for two years. Dudes got wheels.
     
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    Well all I can tell you is that we have different recollections of what these guys were able to accomplish last season. I don't remember many plays, if at all, where Johnson was able to skirt around the corner and get a big gain. What I recall is both of them having some, but not consistent, success running off tackle, especially on Becton's side.
     
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    The base scheme was an inside zone running idea which doesn't allow for much exterior runs. And outside runs were pretty much written out of the gameplan with Bell and then Gore and never put back in. The running game was executed as poorly as it was likely coached because there was absolutely zero emphasis on it. They were throw away plays last year.

    Johnson can scoot - he officially clocked in at about 4.4 in his pro day and some scouts him in the mid 4.3's on their clocks. Adams was sub 4.5 as well with a really good cone drill signifying agility but he's a bit more of a contact runner. Forty times without pads shouldn't be taken as the book on speed but they're pretty good indicators of base line speed.

    They're both pretty good fits for this scheme and have the speed to press the edge. The question is going to be whether they can make the right reads off the blocks and fine the cutback lanes, not if they're fast enough to do so.

    While I'm pumping them up, neither has found a home in the NFL for a reason. I'd expect both to be on the opening day roster along with a mid round draft pick or a low risk free agency add. Four isn't too unrealistic as the 49ers always kept a stable of backs. Someone will need to play special teams as well.
     
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    I would love for the Jets to draft one or more of Amari Rodgers, Kadarius Toney, Shi Smith, Demetric Felton, Cornell Powell, Nico Collins, and Cade Johnson.

    IMO the only National roster DB that looks worth a darn is Melifonwu. Several of them on the American roster looked pretty good, or at least were better than the National DBs were.
     

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