I completely disagree. The NTC means an athlete can veto not only veto anything he doesn't want, but also completely crater his trade value if the team doesn't play ball. There's absolutely incentive for the Texans to move him exactly where he demands and get a nice haul of picks, and not play games so that they end up with a jacked up locker room and a devalued QB. When this has happened before in other sports, I recall it almost ALWAYS hurting the team that tries to play hardball. It can do nothing but devalue their asset and reputation amongst other players. EDIT: I think I misread what you said, my bad. Yeah, if it's REALLY Jets 1 and MIA 2, then Douglas better not try and haggle too much. It's in his hands.
I also agree. My initial reaction was that #2 and two more first rounders (2022 and 2023?) was a bit much for Watson. However, if reports that Watson loves NY and the Jets are his preference are correct, I think we have to pull the trigger on such a deal. For one thing, talking NFL heads on TV are saying that free agents would flock to follow Watson to NY. This would almost assure that the two additional first rounders would not be as valuable as they would be without Watson.
1st of all we have not lost out on anything. We never "had' TL, we dont "have" Watson. 2nd- DGAF about Sams feelins. He has 25 mill to help him deal wih those and a supportive family too. WE NEED AN ABOVE AVG QB.
The purpose of a no trade clause is to ensure a player doesn’t get screwed over. It doesn’t mean a player gets to say “I want to get traded, and I want this team and only this team.” The likely outcome, if he refuses to play in Houston, is that he’ll be able to offer up a short list of teams, probably 5 or 6. If any of those teams match Houston’s options, they will be those who will be able to negotiate. If Miami and New York are both on Watson’s short list, even if NY is #1 but Houston gets a better deal from Miami, Watson is not vetoing that deal. You see what I’m saying?
The #2 and two more first rounders essentially means 4-5 first round picks, that's too much. The #2 alone is worth two first rounders in the 10-15 range or three first rounders later in the round.
All of this needs to be settled by March 17th, not the draft. That's when free agency begins. Teams will need to know if they are taking on this huge contract because it will obviously effect the contracts they will hand out during FA. Players, especially WRs and TEs, will want to know if Watson will be under center for their new team.
Or is this one the better visual analogy? I've watched it about 20 times in a row and can't stop cracking up. Must be what it's like for fans of other teams watching us.
I still don't think trading for Watson is Joe Douglas' style, so Jets fans should not be disappointed if it doesn't happen. They should trust that Douglas and Saleh have a plan and they are executing it. If they are willing to adjust the plan to acquire a top talent like Watson, then that would be great. If not, no worries.
That’s not really true, it would only be true if the Jets intended not to draft a QB and trade back. By your logic you’re also “spending 2 first round picks” to draft Justin Fields or Zach Wilson. To the Jets, the way they would look at it, is the actual cost to get Watson in this scenario would be a rookie QB and two starting caliber players on rookie contracts. I can’t tell you what they would decide to do, but that is most certainly how they would look at it.
I generally agree. I just don't see any rational way you turn down a top-5 QB about to ENTER his prime if it's offered to you. The cost arguments don't resonate with me. The truly elite, FQB is probably the toughest athlete to find in all of sports. There are so few of them, and they don't get moved. Ever. Is it preferable to find the Golden Ticket in the Wonka Bar you bought at the bodega for $1? Sure. If one was offered to you for $10,000, it's not nearly as fun and might put you in a hole...but I'm still making the move.
It isn't anyone's style because it never happens. No GM goes to work hoping a healthy top 5 elite 25yo QB with a no trade clause and a long term deal suddenly becomes pissed off enough with their team to suddenly start seeking a trade to his team. If any of this is true... this is a gift from the football gods for decades of shit this franchise has put us through. Joe D isn't an idiot. Its definitely worth pursuing... his style or not.
this^ people don't realize the 2 pick alone is worth more then the 2 1st rounders we got for adams by a lot
The problem is, if the Dolphins are viable, they've got the #3. And while that's unquestionably a notch below having the #2, it's in the same area code, so their package can still be built up to beat ours if Douglas tries to hold back.
And another thing, at this point we can’t overlook the added benefit of keeping Watson out of Miami, win-win for us. Would hate to face him twice a year with Sam Darnold leading us
Other teams' fans are getting nervous on Twitter, posting condescendingly mocking posts about the idea that Watson wants the Jets. I mean, they're probably right, but if this hits it's going to glorious. Hating like we've never experienced before.
I’m absolutely putting the cart before the horse here, but how fun would it be having Watson along with hopefully a solid RB running read option and then having Watson take off behind Becton? I mean there are SO many things you can do in this offense with someone like Watson. Damnit.
Why is the #2 pick worth so much more than a mid 20’s pick? Any position that you can get at 2 is also available at 23 without a world of difference in quality, with one and only one exception: QB If #2 is worth so much for this singular reason, then basically #2 is worth a dart throw QB prospect. Watson is obviously worth substantially more than that. So are 2 mid 20’s picks worth more than the guarantee that he brings? How could they be? #2 is worth more than #23 x2, and Watson is obviously worth more than #2 by a substantial margin... I just don’t see the logic saying he’s not worth 3 first round selections.
When is the earliest you can trade the #2 pick away? For instance, if we traded down to 4th or 5th and stacked up on Falcons/Bengals next years 1st and say a 2nd and a 3rd as well or whatever the trade would be (just an example.) Then we give Texans the 4th or 5th and the 23rd (Seahawks) and a 2022 1st ours or Seahawks? We then still make a good 2nd and 3rd rounder extra. Of course, I may just be a dumb fucker and it wouldn't work like that.
