You: trading picks for a 26 year old stud QB would be abandoning the rebuild. Also you: look at the Bills, who acquired picks and then traded them for their two best players.
Here's a question... If Deshaun Watson continues his production and DOESN'T win a super bowl, where will he rank among the greatest QBs to not win one?
If he continues being elite for another 6-8 years and doesn’t win? He’d probably be the best QB to never win one. On numbers alone he’d be over Marino. Again... this is assuming he stays elite the whole time.
He has the 2nd most QB pressures since he started playing. The Texans have never been a top rushing team in his career, despite his 500yds/season. He's never been coached by a top coach. Deandre Hopkins is a great WR, but there's no reason other than injury, which he's never had, to think his production would slow down. But the Jets are screwed if they trade Justin Fields and Jamal Adams for him.
Not posting this for anything other than the entertainment. Not a big Carton fan, but it's a fun listen in this period before the heartbreak. I wish I had his optimism, haha.
Okay but the 2008 Jets had this guy named Brett Favre playing QB. The 2009 Jets downgraded still the most important position in football and started Mark Sanchez. If Favre Was on that 2009 team they would’ve won a Super Bowl.
Starting to get the feeling that the Texans are going to hire Bienenemy, Watson returns to Houston, and this all blows over.
You know what I find amusing is that 3 months ago the media was just bashing us and saying all this BS for Trevor Lawrence not to come and pull an Eli/Elway because the organization is a dumpster fire. Today the Jets are the perfect landing spot for Watson and all the free agents?!
GM...check, Head Coach...check, Defense...meh, Offense...trouble. QB is too important a position to make a mistake on. Killing the rebuild picks and $ to get Watson is a hell of a gamble but,...he is less of a question mark than Sam or a draft kid.
I’m not directing this at you, I’m more so using your post to further my point… For those of you worried about the “gamble“ behind trading for Watson, what is more of a gamble: a 26-year-old elite quarterback who will draw other free agents while you try to hit on two first round draft picks over the next two years or drafting a young quarterback you have to develop, hope that free agents buy into your rebuild and hopefully hit on three first rounders over the next two years. I know which route I’m going every day of the week.
I think there’s a little sadism in me I wasn’t aware of. All of the people who are against trading for Watson are insulated from the disappointment when it doesn’t happen. While I wholly believe that it’s the best move if they can make it happen, if I convert even 1 person who then has to go through the disappointment of it not happening, I feel a little guilty about it. Either trading for Deshaun or drafting a QB is a viable decision this off-season. With Watson at the helm, you just have a lot less guessing and hoping.
This is the best way to feel if you value your mental health. I can’t go through losing the number one pick all over again.
I think there's a misconception that a team cannot build a team and navigate the cap correctly if they have a big contract. The Cowboys haven't had a ton of postseason success and their organizational structure is a mess because Jerry Jones meddles in everything. Even though they don't currently have a massive quarterback contract, they retain every good player they draft because they offset the contracts correctly when they extend players and give elongated 5-6 year contracts that not only spread the cap money out but makes them cuttable towards the end. It's not a model of success given their failures at times (especially because they've extended some of the wrong players), but it proves that there is always a way to keep players that you draft if you think they're good players. I'm not completely against the argument of not getting Watson, but it's the surest bet to achieving both short and long term success. I agree with you as there are less unknowns and the teams that have sustained success in the NFL have a big time quarterback that can at times cover other deficiencies and have drafted well throughout the entire draft (not just the front end) to fill holes. The only obvious exception is the Ravens and that model is so damn hard to replicate as no one has been able to do it. The 2002 Buccaneers had one of the best defenses ever with two (possibly four depending on what happens with Ronde Barber/John Lynch) and they didn't experienced an elongated period of success as the Steelers, Packers, Patriots and Saints have. No matter what we do, we need to draft well and add a couple starters a year and need to find a quarterback. We also need to not see the shiny new toy in free agency and overpay to get them here without maintaining cap flexibility (specifically after year two).
That’s why I don’t listen to media my friend, it’s a constant roller coaster ride. They need the traffic so they put out whatever they can to get that traffic.
Its a fallacy to claim we are trading Adams for Watson. We already traded Adams for way more then he is worth and we still don't know who we are going to get for him. This thread is chock full of unsound comparisons to generate the pro trade rational.
Sure. Can we at least agree that Deshaun Watson is a 25 year old QB with the highest completion percentage of all time who has averaged 4300 passing yards with 30 TD and 10 INT in his first 3 full seasons to go with 500 rushing yds and 5 rushing TDs while getting the 2nd most QB pressures for a terribly run organization?
I like Carton a lot despite some of his scumbaggery. But he also has a big rooting interest in the Jets getting these two players as well as being a competitive franchise. Almost wishing it into existence. The Jets talk portion of WFAN has essentially been dead starting in October and it sucks for them because they have a lot of Jets fans that work there.
