The simple fact that WE can't agree on who's a FQB, or even who's a good QB, tells me NONE of them are. Unless JD grabs a QB just for the optics, then he's probably gonna use ALL his draft cap building a killer roster top to bottom. Bring in a vet like Flacco, Fitz, pay them $10m per for 2 seasons (or maybe even Sam? I mean, if we want the best drafts possible, then keeping Sam may be the way to go). Then grab the best QB possible next yr or yr after and UNLEASH THE DOGS!!!! Get the team fitted for rings, at least 3 fingers!
After the junior year he had? Hell no. People are putting down Fields for having 2 bad games and some TOs, in spite of tearing it up against Clemson. Darnold's whole season was pretty bad and he didn't tear anything up. He would probably in the mix for QB4/5 with Lance, due to his athleticism and good arm talent.
I agree that Douglas like great athletes, so Fields probably has an upper hand. However, Zach seems like a decent athlete as well with big arm. I would say 55/45 Fields is ahead, but who knows what happens between now and draft night. Zach could hit the gym, gain 10lbs of muscle, and I have a feeling he may surprise some people in athletic testing too. Fields can gain as well and being dual threat QB is very valuable. I really think there are two great options there, and #2 is a really nice spot, because JD will have a choice of two high level QB prospects.
I was talking more so about Wilson’s personality. None of us have met Wilson so we have no idea who he really is. He comes off to some as an arrogant frat bro on the football field. Who knows if that’s actually who he is or not?
Okay, cool. So it is considered a fairly strong class then, as 2018 was. Stronger since Lawrence is the headline, but you get what I mean. I hope the Jets find a guy they like between Wilson and Fields or even Lance. I just like the idea of pairing a new Head Coach with a new QB. If Saleh likes and believes in Sam, I have no problem with that either, but then the Jets would have to deal with his contract, and that is if he even begins to play like I thought he could.
That strategy has worked out well for the Dolphins, Broncos (Peyton doesn't count), Bears, Browns and Jets for the past decade.
I respect how you analyze prospects. You stick to your guns and like what you see. I just don’t think Wilson has much more than a live arm. The way he throws the football is SPECIAL. Absolutely no doubt. The problem is that’s all that pops off the screen as a positive. His level of competition and level of teammates is a big question (same with Lance), he plays hero ball when the going gets tough (coastal Carolina), attitude issues (mostly rumours but when there’s smoke there’s fire), relies on his arm too much and doesn’t have anticipation at a top level
Sure, it's easy enough to say that evaluation is all over the place for top guys not named Lawrence, but let's review this QB class by finding some common metrics to be as objective as we possibly can. I like to use pff as one metrics as they actually dive into advanced stats and we can use it to eye ball the draft classes among multiple years. In 2018 there was 1 guy ranked 90+ using pff advanced stats, and that was Baker. There were three guys mid 80s (all went top 10), and Lamar Jackson slightly below 80 (went end of first). In 2021 there are 6 guys ranked 90+ (I am including Lance, who was ranked 90.4 previous year, but only had one game this year). Among them there are 2 guys with multi year 90+ ratings. And two guys with highest ever ratings. 1 guy considered a generational talent. 5 projected first round, and Trask will probably go end of first early second, just because there is a huge number of top QBs. Now, I understand there are individual evaluations etc, and you never know if these top prospects are going to bust or not, but as far as prospect talent coming out, this IS absolutely ridiculous QB class, easily trouncing that of 2018. I mean in a guy like Mac Jones, who is essentially Baker level talent, we are looking at QB5 here. Even without Trevor, if we do our evaluations correctly, we have a great chance to end up with absolute stud, a chance that FAR exceeds that in 2018 (Sam) and 2009 (Sanchez).
I'm comparing the general NFL consensus about the 2018 prospects back in 2018 vs. the current consensus about the 2021 prospects. Not how good the QBs actually are or what PFF thinks of them.
I remember when the 'dual threat QB' became the rage, and still is to a point. A QB who's 'only' a pocket passer with little threat to take off is seen as a detriment. But lets take a quick look at how these dual threat QBs are working out: Kaepernick lost his starting job after wrecking his knee on a run play, never to regain his healthy form. RG3 came into the league as a TRUE dual threat, only to wreck his knee, never to regain his form. Eric Smith almost lost his leg due to a horrifying compound fracture. Sam Darnold lost a month his rookie season after smashing his foot during a scramble. Lamar Jackson got smashed on a TD scamper, got himself concussed, and lost the playoff game when his backup missed a wide open TD Dewayne Haskins, in his last game as a 'Skins, took a vicious hit to his leg that knocked him out of the game, and off the team. Cam Newton suffered a broken rib that cost him game. And a Lisfrank foot sprain that derailed him for a good part of a season. And many more injuries. Patrick Mahomes just got wrenched to the ground with his head and neck looking like Gumby Doll during a 3rd down scamper, he got the 1st down but also got himself concussed, could barely stand up, and will be playing in the AFCCG with limited plays, none that will call for him to run the ball. Justin Fields took a vicious shot to the ribs on a run up the middle. Kept playing, but a week later he wasn't himself and got killed in the championship game against Alabama. Josh Allen, Bills, seems to be the last man standing, and he takes some vicious hits on some of his runs. His time is coming. Nearly every dual threat QB DOES bring an exciting element to the game. But nearly every dual threat QB I can thing of eventually pays the huge price, and sometimes it's career ending. So while we're evaluating and discussing QBs for our team, I'm not sure I'd be too excited to get a great 'dual threat' QB. I feel it'js just a matter of time before he's injred and put on IR for the year, and eventually forced to become a pocket passer. So maye we should get the next pocket statue with a bazooka arm and not worry about his 40 time!
Darnold, Mayfield and Allen were all better prospects in 2018 than Wilson, Fields and Lance are this year. Maybe even Jackson as well, depending on the scout. Rosen I never liked one bit, but overall 2018 was a better class for QB prospects.
I haven’t been following too closely... is someone saying otherwise? Because that would be not a well-informed opinion.
