This has devolved so bad because people use too much hyperbole Fact proves you don’t NEED a HoF QB to win a SB the rest is just opinion
Here is the thing. It may be a little extreme but I am showing you my bias. I truly feel if we had Smith instead of Perrimen last season we would have won as many games as we would have if we had Watson instead of Darnold. But right now I'm very biased towards Smith. There is a larger point there. Blue chip prospects are nothing to just sacrifice on a trade whim. You need them to win games and go to the SB too. Trading 3 for 1 is not a good idea unless you already have a team full of them. Regardless of the position. Take the Smith example and extend it two more quality players in addition to him. That is some serious muscle added to your team. That is what you are talking about giving up. But I'll admit I've developed a bias about Smith. I think he has the potential to change a team as much as any other player.
But it really is true. No matter how great a QB is they still need a great team around them to go far.
OTC is wrong. the cap is gonna be 175mil. it would be less but the NFL and NFLPA made an agreement for that to be the floor. the NFL is eating the rest for now but it needs to be paid back eventually. it's basically a loan to themselves that will keep the cap in check. they have them at 146mil. the cap will be 175 which leaves 29 mil. take away 12 or so for draft picks thats 17 mil left but they have to add 31 players less the 7 draft picks so 24 players with 17 mil to spend. matthau and fisher will be FAs as well that year. losing your franchise LT and your stud safety hurts. it's the beginning of their team shedding players to keep mahomes. remember when seattle when the legion of boom dominating games? they won. then they lost them all to pay wilson and their defense is god awful so they the 2 1st rounders at us for adams and their defense still sucks and they can't win in the playoffs because of that and they have no 1st rounders for the next 2 years.
Couple thoughts: No one knows what Watson's gonna do. Two recent events might influence his decision: First, Philip Rivers just retired after 17 years with the Bolts. Watson has to see what staying with the same franchise his whole career could mean. Rivers was a top 5 QB in passing yards, TDs, QBR, etc (sound familiar?) yet failed he to lead his franchise to a single SB. Watson might be thinking to himself "I don't wanna be Rivers in 15 years retiring from the Texans with tons of records, but zero rings". Second, Tom Brady did the unthinkable. 2 years ago NO ONE (I know, someone here will say "Not me, I knew he would move on to the Bucs!!!") thought Brady would actually bolt his only team and take his talents somewhere else. But he did, and he's succeeding. Brady left the comforts of his home base and the only team he'd ever known, and moved on. A success story of moving on that Watson might take to heart. He's seen the outcome of both choices: Staying put versus moving one.
i'm just having a conversation and weighing the pros and cons while other people think they have all the answers and are shouting how right they are and not even considering other posiblities. I'm putting myself in JDs shoes. if i was just a fan sure bring in the great player. but i'm trying to think 3 steps ahead like chess as far as bringing us long term success. the cap is an issue. lots of teams will shed this year. right now the cap is better then expected but still in the 175-180 range. KC is already over by quite a bit for 2021 and in 2022 it gets worse for them. they will shed talent around mahomes to keep mahomes and you;ll see the decline. why do you think the 1 elite QB who took less money then he deserved is the one that won 6 superbowls and made it to 9 of them?
Last and unrelated, some here have said we can trade for Watson and STILL have our 'normal draft' to restock. I disagree. Our 'normal draft' would include our 2nd overall and another high 1st round pick next season too. But these are the very picks we're willing to give up, leaving us with our late 1st round picks we got from Seattle. So we say "see, we can get Watson and STILL have our 1st round picks to build around him". Here's my thought: Bad teams rebuilding count on those high draft picks round by round to draft the cream of the crop, the best of the best. Essential in team building. That beautiful extra talent that bad teams get by drafting early goes a long ways to pulling the bad team above the rest. But good teams that just got bounced from the championship weekend or the SB, draft near the bottom of every round, THEY ALEADY HAVE A GOOD TEAM, and rely on those late round picks for something different. They aren't team building with A+++ players....they're team maintaining with A--- players. They get certain players that can keep the train running for the next season. So the Jets, a bad team, really NEED our upper echelon talent that's just a bit better than the talent drafted later one. We're a team in total rebuild and will need serious DAWGS (which are almost always taken early). We can't build a new team from the players found at the end of the draft. Those guys are there to keep successful teams successful
My words were about what Watson might be thinking with the two recent events, Rivers retiring after 17 yrs with the same team and Brady jumping ship and finding success.
Yes, 175M is a floor. If revenue is higher than expected, it will be greater than 175M. Projections are saying it’s going to be 180M for 2021. It’s not going down in 2022 as stadiums will be getting ticket and concession sales in some capacity by the start of the 2021 season.
Every GM in the league would be happy to take Mahomes and his contract and build around him. If the Jets have a chance to get Deshaun Watson, a 25 year old top 3 QB with the best completion percentage EVER, for what amounts to their first round pick and Jamal Adams, they would be fools not to take it.
With Watson, you probably won't be quite that bad next season, so our 1st round pick may not be top 3 as it is this season. By your argument, it's essentially really the #2 pick for Watson. I do that deal as Watson is proven, but obviously, it would depend on what else gets thrown in. Not to mention, top free agents like Allen Robinson would likely come here knowing Watson is. It's a domino effect.
Problem is even guys like me who know building through the draft is the best way to win, and yes, it’s easier to win with a QB on a rookie contract, still know you get a 25 year old franchise top 5 QB for essentially Jamal Adams, the 2nd overall pick and maybe Sam Darnold.
Nobody is saying you do lol. But if you look at the last 15-20 years, about 90% of teams who won a Super Bowl had very good QB's. So, yeah, you don't NEEEEEEEEED one. But it's pretty hard to do without one.
Of the 30 QBs drafted in the 1st round since 2010, only 1 is better than Watson (the only one to win a super bowl). Depending on what happens this offseason, only 10-12 will have starting jobs.
So grab a QB at #2 then? This is the highest we will be picking for quite some time and this QB class is as good as, if not better than 2018. There's always that risk that we Darnold the pick though..... Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
Wow, that's pretty much HOF QB roster, aside from Flacco and Foles. And Foles was aided by a QB who made Pro Bowl that year to even get into play-offs. And all these teams with HOFers are completive every year, even when not on rookie deal. Watson's contract is relatively friendly now too with Texans having already paid sign in bonus and a year still left on rookie deal. This is as great an argument to get Watson as I've seen here.
