No, it's not ideal if you were thinking of signing or trading for Darnold, but he's already on the team on his rookie deal. This is going to come down to: 1. Do they think Sam can perform much better with all the changes that are going to happen before next season? 2. Do they REALLY love one of the QBs in this draft? 3. Do they think Darnold is good enough to "hold the fort" while the QB they draft sits and learns? 4. Can they get what they consider fair value for Darnold if they trade him? Depending on the answers to those questions, they'll be able to decide if they have to use the #2 pick on a QB or they can trade it for more premium picks. I suspect they'd prefer to trade the pick because they have a LOT of holes. So, it's not really about whether Darnold can become a great QB, only is he good enough to allow them to continue building up the team for now.
It's not the public perception. It's the reality that college QB's that start less than 2 full seasons have a really high bust rate compared to QB's that start 3 seasons or more. QB's that start 2 years fall a bit higher on the curve but nowhere near the 3 season guys. Of the QB's in this draft all but Lawrence and Wilson are 2 year starters or less.
"The Jets have until May 3 to decide whether or not to pick-up Darnold’s fifth-year option. Although the team has a sizable amount of cap space, they’d be making a significant financial commitment while confirming that Darnold will be the team’s quarterback for at least the next two seasons." I also read that before May 3rd they can re negotiate SD Contract, if he agrees, and then have him as interim QB only while team builds Plus I like all your points here... So conceivably the Jets could draft a QB at 2 this year and have Sam stick around but I don't think they would do that. Would they? Well, by April 2021 we will have all the answers
I just saw a stat that according to Football Outsiders Darnold was tied for 2nd most dropped interceptions this year. In addition, he was 26th in pass attempts. So tied for the 2nd most dropped INT's while near the bottom in attempts. I just don't even know what to say anymore to anyone defending him. The evidence is too overwhelming.
Some company... But yeah let's not trade him for a 3rd or 4th round pick before his value declines to absolute 0.
1. Darnold 2. Wilson 3. Other - Trey Lance 4. Other - Trade for Deshaun Watson (giving up #2 overall and next year's Seattle #1 at most) 4. Fields
I am dumdfounded I don't recollect ANY other QB having this amount of bending over backwards... not just for the NYJ, but...across the baord.
Get rid of Darnold Draft one of the Qbs you like Fields, Wilson or Lance would be fine with me Let the new coaches do their magic Keep drafting well
I can't speak for anyone else, but my "defense" of Darnold is merely stating that we don't know what Douglas is thinking. You and others eager to dump Darnold seem to have the rigid assumption that getting rid of him is a foregone conclusion when AFAIK it isn't. Unless you have some solid inside info you want to share. I''m just laying out options in the event that Douglas actually still believes in him because that's the ONLY opinion that matters.
Id rather trade down then draft Wilson. I can see ATL taking Wilson if Smith goes there but Matt Ryan is still a capable starter.
For me, it sorta doesn't matter much who is whose favorite. What matters is that WE ADDRESS THE DEFICIENCY AT THE QB POSITION
There is a logical explanation. The more you see QB play, the better conclusion you can make. You draft a guy with one year, it is a much bigger gamble when you draft someone after having more data to assess. With that said, Zach gets more points being a 3 year starter, but he really had only one good one, and that was against weaker than usual competition due to COVID. So, he has that question mark too. Fields had two good years in a row against better completion and also improved from last year. I think that has less risk. Lance to me is the highest risk. Played only one year against very bad third tier competition, while on a team that is far stronger than opposition. Kind of like Alabama of Tier 3, even more dominant as they won 3 in a row I think. He can run through them whenever he wants, he can pass to a lot of open receivers. Talent and good decision making is definitely there, and there is a high ceiling, but who knows if he can show improvements from a year before and show what he can do in the face of adversity. He may as well be great, but just more risk there. For example, in that game he played this year, his passing looked worse than Fields against Alabama in the final. Just hard to be sure given little data we have.
I'm here as well. I prefer Fields but I think him/Wilson are roughly equivalent with Lance close behind. I don't think we HAVE to take a QB at #2 but I will be appalled if we don't take any QB in the first round.
I like Wilson, but don't see how anyone could possibly call him the #2 QB. Fields and Lance are both superior prospects physically/athletically, in terms of ceiling and probably floor.
I disagree. I don't think you're being realistic. With all due respect (and I do respect you and your opinion), I think you're letting your emotions sway you. I think at best, he will probably only reach average, and more likely, it will be mediocre (below average). I don't think he has a realistic shot to hit above average, not in few months.
The thing is that even if he can fix his fundamentals, he won't get better immediately. In fact, he'll go through a period where he is confused and lost and gets worse. That's why unless he has already committed to change whatever is necessary and is already working his ass of to change those fundamentals, he will probably need to sit if he changes his fundamentals later. For his sake, I hope that he has opened his mind, is listening to Palmer and working his ass off 8 hours a day practicing his footwork and whatever changes to his throwing motion are necessary.
His ceiling is Andy Daltons peak years... which were solid and above average.... when the whole team around him was solid, above average. theres a fascinating article about how Andy Dalton is a litmus QB. https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/...on-cincinnati-bengals-quarterback-litmus-test some blurbs "Dalton is depressingly familiar with falling apart on national TV. Many of his lowest moments have come when the lights were brightest—so many that “Prime-Time Andy” has become a running joke. " that's ghostly familiar. "The point in laying out the swings in Cincinnati’s support system is to illustrate the fact that more than maybe any other quarterback, Dalton has been dependent on his surroundings. Which isn’t an indictment. If placed in the same circumstances, about half the quarterbacks in the NFL would perform better than Dalton has—and about half would perform worse."
