I agree. I've seen Rattler play and he looks pretty good. I will be shocked if it's Howell, but I googled rankings for QBs in the 2022 draft when we all were discussing not taking a QB this year and waiting until next year or 2023. AFAIK, no QB in the 2022 draft class lit it up this year, and will have 2-3 years of really good play like Lawrence and Fields, but I could be wrong.
I already sam howell earlier in the thread. he looks better on film then fields or wilson by a lot. even looks better then lawerence. his issue is he's short though so teams may sour on him for that despite the success we seen from guys like wilson and brees he looks like an NFL QB already. his touch and deep ball is impressive. he scans the field. he's a pocket guy. he's tough and gritty. i really like everything about him. I dont' care that he's only 6-1 but NFL teams might
My point is simply that you, I, nor anyone else here knows what Douglas is thinking, about QBs, Darnold, or anything. I'm just trying to keep an open mind and my expectations realistic. As for my not having experience and knowledge about how people use their bodies and training them, actually I do. I coached high level youth sports, in particular soccer, and took my teams to high level competitions all over the northeast. In one - the Soccer Hall of Fame Tournament in Oneonta NY I took a team that was a year younger than any other team and won. Moreover, I studied and applied ergonomics in one part of my career as a systems analyst for the Bell System, so I'm also knowledgeable about human performance and thinking. It doesn't make mean expert, but I'm quite qualified to understand human performance and limitations. As to Darnold's problems, he will have a lot of difficulty in trying to change his fundamentals at this point, but it could be done with the right coaching, AND his being able to play with good talent to reinforce those changes. One of his issues is that whatever changes he's attempted, he has been unable to go out and apply those changes in an environment where he wasn't under heavy pressure. And no, I am not making excuses for Darnold. He has to own some responsibility for his failure so far, but it doesn't mean he's a lost cause necessarily. And even if you and I both said he was, that still doesn't mean that Douglas has drawn that conclusion.
what proof have you shown me that in that span mac was the worst drafting GM in the NFL. I know for a fact the pats did way worse then we did. that alone negates your argument. if you can show me 31 GMs that drafted better then mac during his span. i will post i am wrong in all caps 100 times and change my icon to whatever you want for a month. but if I can show you 1 that has drafted worse then mac it proves you wrong and you have to do the same. we got a deal?
I've never disagreed with your point that no one know what Douglas is thinking, and I don't see anything here that I disagree with. I was just stating my opinion based on my 40 years of experience Sorry, I didn't know you had experience with coaching or had studied ergonomics. You know then how difficult it is to change fundamentals and how much focused work that it takes, and that while one is working on making those changes how it makes one either think too much rather than letting their talent take over, or they revert to previous muscle memory. That's why I will be shocked beyond words if JD and the new HC decide to build around Sam. I believe he can be fixed IF he is willing to work at it and the stories aren't true about his refusing to change his footwork because it's what "felt comfortable." Of course it feels comfortable, that's how he has been playing since he started playing QB. Changing footwork feels awkward and uncomfortable at first, but practice it enough focusing solely on that and it soon feels comfortable and second nature and you can stop thinking about it. I also truly think that he needs to sit for a year and spend most of his time studying film so he can learn to see the whole field and read Ds. That should at least help his decision making, if not fix it altogether. I totally agree that Darnold has never been in a situation with the Jets where he hasn't been under pressure of trying to be the Jets' savior, of trying to learn a new offense and please a new HC and OC, and even trying to overcome injury or being sick and missing games. The only thing I know of for certain that he tried to change was to stop fumbling/turning the ball over when he was a rookie. He did a good job in terms of fumbling, but not with interceptions. Do you know of any other things he tried to change?
There is another way to look at. What if JD doesn't like the QBs this year? what if he likes the 2022 class better? He can trade down from the 2 spot and acquire for sure at least a 1st in 2022 giving us 3 picks for that year. more then enough for us to move up for a QB. If sam is good and we aren't picking high and he shows he can be the man we don't have to worry. if he's bad and shows he isn't the answer we can draft a QB in 2022 and we should be picking high plus having 2 extra picks to be able to move up with 1 of them and still have an extra 1st. we can stack a team that way and the teams needing Qbs next year won't be as plentyful as this year with 4 teams likely to get a QB in round 1 in 2021.
I'm butting into this conversation but I have strong feelings on this. This is my logic: Let's say the ship has already sailed on Sam. Statistically there's about a 90% chance a QB who starts his career like Sam won't be the answer. So throw that out the window as an expected outcome for next year. Not impossible, but unlikely enough where the team shouldn't be operating under the expectation it'll happen. With that in mind, I can't possibly understand the logic behind trading for picks this year just to trade them next year and move back up. We're in a unique spot this year where we don't have the #1 pick but are still able to draft someone who would be the #1 pick in most drafts. We have relative value at the position. I think we lose that in any hypothetical involving us waiting until next year for a QB. Either we won't be drafting this high next year or the prospects won't be as highly touted or both. I think it's fairly safe to say that one or both of those things will be true. Drafting #2 is rare and we should've won more games than we did this year. We had a hard schedule and some wonky close losses. It's fair to expect us to have a worse draft pick next year. It's also fair to expect that the QB prospects will not be as good next year. Fields has been the #2 QB prospect in the nation since high school and has only reinforced that during college. Howell/Rattler seem pretty good but they have some ground to make up if they are to be as highly regarded as prospects as Fields currently is. Not impossible, but perhaps unlikely. We're in a good spot to both get a QB and start a true rebuild of the roster this year. Let's not overthink this.
I don't need to prove that he was the worst GM in the NFL, I just need to support my contention that he was an idiot, which I did.
The logic is if you think howell is much better then fields or wilson. the logic is also with the extra picks and extra year your rookie QB comes into a much better team for his rookie year. it gives the new HC a year to build the team and install his system. it allows a rookie to come into a stable situation where this year they won't be. now mind you the most important part really is JDs feelings on the QBs. if he thinks howell is much better then fields or wilson he trades down and defers to the 2022 draft another way to look at it is thats what the bills did. they felt the QBs in 2018 were better then 2017. they traded down where the chiefs traded up with them for mahomes. the bills took allen a year later. they didn't trade up for him but they did trade up for edmunds later in the 1st. then also traded a 1st rounder for diggs a year later. the bengals did it too. they could have drafted haskins but they liked the 2020 class better so took an OT then a QB in burrow the next year. same with the chargers. they could have taken drew lock but took a DT instead then drafted herbert a year later. it really depends on how JD feels about this QB class vs the next one. now mind you if JD feels fields or wilson is the guy he should just draft them but if he doesn't trading down is very viable.
again absolutes. he may not have been a good GM but doesn't mean he's an idiot. greg mcelroy was a shitty QB but he wasn't an idiot. you can be bad at something but still smart.
On this point I agree with you. We don't know what JD's thoughts are about QB (or really anything). He may think that building a foundation before getting a new QB is the way to go. He may even like the idea of Darnold being resurrected, or he may have thoughts about trading for a vet or signing one in FA. All these are possible options. Personally, I think taking Fields (assuming Lawrence isn't there at #2) or Wilson is an opportunity too good to pass up. I don't think, based upon the limited analysis I've read/seen about the 2022 QB class, that there is anyone as good as these two. But I don't have anywhere near the data that Douglas has to base my opinion on, nor does anyone here. I can only say what I hope. I guess worst case is that in 2024 we'll be trying to figure out how to tank for the 3rd generation of Manning QBs.
you can be smart but make bad decisions I don't think anyone in the NFL coaching staff or management even gase is an idiot. They just make bad decisions
yeah douglas's opinion is all that matter and us as fans whether we agree or not should support him and give the benefit of the doubt. JD has all the makings to be the best GM we've had in a long time and he'll make mistakes but give him fair chance. personally so far I like howell a lot better then fields or wilson. I like fields though but i've soured on wilson a bit and i'm not that impressed with fields.
Well, when someone makes a mistake as big as Maccagnan did by not drafting Mahomes or Watson when the Jets clearly needed a QB, I don't know how you can overstate the size of that failure. "Idiotic" seems appropriate to me. No, that doesn't literally mean he's an idiot, as in low IQ, but to not be aware - apparently - of how bad his QB situation was is a mistake so big it should've caused his dismissal on that alone. That Chris Johnson actually extended him is simply compounding the idiocy.
This raises the question of what kind of advanced training Darnold has gotten for all his deficiencies. I find nothing that indicates he was ever put through the optical analysis type of body mapping we see for pitchers and golfers although it's been recognized for years. Surely someone is doing that for quarterbacks and surely someone has developed virtual reality exercises dedicated to seeing the field, recognizing coverages and finding targets. And it's not a new idea at all to understand sports psychologists have been able to work with dealing with pressure - have the Jets done any of these things with Darnold or are they still approaching these things in more traditional ways? I had seen an article from a few years ago about McCown utilizing some of these things that indicated Darnold may have been interested but can find nothing that shows it ever came to fruition. Somehow, I don't see Bates, Gase or Loggains as early adaptors.
Yup this could easily happen (waiting until 2022 to draft our new QB). And already having a QB that half the NFL thinks is still a good QB would give JD another season to sort it out. Team build 2021. QB 2022. JD would lose the draft pick he could get for trading Sam now, but the flexibility Sam gives him might make it worth it to keep him another sesaon.
