Darnold, Fields, Wilson, Jones, Trask, Lance

Discussion in 'Draft' started by NOVAJET, Dec 28, 2020.

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Fields, Wilson or Darnold

  1. Fields

    22.0%
  2. Wilson

    26.3%
  3. Darnold

    31.7%
  4. Other - Explain

    10.8%
  5. Watson: 3 1st's

    9.1%
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  1. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    If the Jets weren't looking for a QB when their current QBs were McCown, Petty, and Hackenberg, then Mac is the biggest moron to ever defile the NFL.
     
  2. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I agree with all except the last phrase. I don't see any way possible that JD wants Darnold. Sorry, Sam just has too many issues.
     
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  3. ColoradoContrails

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    Well I could take the time and considerable effort to go back and study years of rosters and drafts for every team in order to accurately answer your question, or I could just say that whether they're idiots or not has no bearing on whether Macc was. He clearly had a need for a better QB than he had, nd he had TWO that amply fit that bill and he passed on both. That alone proves him an idiot. There, I saved us both a lot of time and energy.
     
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    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    With all due respect, the answer to your inability to see this is because you don't want to. "There is none so blind as he who will not see".

    And with that I'm not saying that Douglas DOES want Sam, only that we don't know.
     
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  5. REVISion

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    It'll probably end up being Rattler. Assuming he has a good season next year he'll likely end up being a similar-rated prospect as Fields is this year. He'll probably go first overall unlike Fields though because of Lawrence.
     
  6. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I agree with this with one glaring exception...Hackenberg. There's no way anyone else thought Hackenberg should be a 2nd round pick or that he was the BPA. That was a Mac thought and love affair all his own.
     
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  7. GasedAndConfused

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    well 1st off i'm not defending mac. overall as a GM he was bad. I just said his drafting isn't nearly as bad as people claim it is. he was an average drafter.

    I said 10 teams passed on them because well they did. the bears took a QB and liked trubisky more. the other 9 teams opted not to take a QB therefore they passed on him. not taking a player = passing on him
    If teams simply chose by BPA knowing what we know now, mahomes would have been 1st regardless if a team needed a QB or not. ask any GM if they were to start a new team right now to pick 1 player and they will all pick mahomes.

    i'm not saying either of those 2 things. like all GMs mac did good things and bad things.

    Just like people on these forums. sometimes were right sometimes were wrong. it's all just taking your best stab at it. sometime it works out, sometimes it doesn't. I wanted to trade down for lamaar jackson. I wanted to sit pat at 6 and take josh allen. everyone here called me an idiot for it. in hindsight both my ideas were pretty dam good. I also wanted DGB in the 2nd when we took devin smith and was pissed about smith. I thought DGb would be a beast. i was wrong and both players turned out to be busts anyway. I wanted metcalf badly while most people here told me he'd suck. We watched robby for 4 years here i said he's a 1k yard WR on any team but the jets. i was called an idiot. was told he's a fragile skinny 1 trick pony. I couldn't believe anyone could watch him for 4 years and be so wrong about a player they watched every game of on the team they love. but still people were and we let him walk and he passed 1k yards and finished top 12 in the NFL in receiving yards.

    as i said earlier the issue here is with fans and forums everything is absolute. it's black and white. nobody sees the grey. people either suck or are amazing. i mean look at Q. rookie year everyone here said he sucks, another bad mac pick, leo 2.0 hidden production, looks fat etc etc. now people are saying in year 2 he got snubbed for the pro bowl. if people here calmed down and looked at all the sides of things and just called it how they see it it would be different. but according to TGG tlaw will be better then mahomes and make the jags SB contenders and now it's fields because he might be ours. instead of people just kind being realistic about things
     
  8. GasedAndConfused

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    Nah Sam Howell. he's looking like a stud so far. I wouldn't be mad if we traded down for a haul and got howell next year instead of a QB this year. So far i like howell more then fields or wilson TBH but i'll make final assessments after the combine
     
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    You could've saved a lot of typing and just admitted your original point was wrong.
     
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    sam howell

     
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    your missing the point. it's all speculation we don't know the answer. we weren't in the war room or scouting meetings. all we know is who they took
     
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    That's a good point, I actually thought the same thing right after posting.
     
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    Not true, my friend. I wanted Sam to be the answer. Of course JD "could" want Sam, I just don't think he does or would be willing to risk his career on Sam. I'm sure that he likes him as a person and wishes he would have worked out. It would make his job and the rebuild so much easier. I could also claim the same about you that you don't want to see that Sam can't be the answer. You don't have the experience and knowledge that I do in working with people training them to use their bodies in specific ways, and know both how long it can take to make those changes, and how one can't perform at a high level while one is trying to make those changes.

    I'm not saying that I or anyone definitively knows. I'm not disputing that no one knows what JD is thinking. JD himself may not definitively know at this point. I just don't think that JD is thinking that Sam is definitely the answer, nor do I think that once he has hired the new HC that the two of them together will decide that Sam is the answer. I could be wrong, but you could knock me over with a feather if I am proved to be wrong and they decide to stick with Sam. If they do, I'll hope for the best, but lose a great deal of trust and confidence in JD and the new HC, and that will probably be enough to cause me to stop caring about the Jets.
     
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    I don't know much about Howell but I would think Rattler will be right there since OU is quickly getting a reputation as a QB school after Baker and Murray.
     
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    or the other option is they weren't high on mahomes and watson. and felt the 2018 class was better with baker, sam, allen, rosen, and jackson and felt passing on adams and taking a QB the next year was better. Just like the bills did when they traded away mahomes and then took josh allen a year later. most teams felt the 2017 QB class was weak and the 2018 class was going to be the best one since the eli/ben/rivers draft. good Gms look years ahead. it's like playing chess you don't play your next move, you think 3 moves ahead. The bills did it and 3 years later they are in the playoffs, their QB is a pro bowler, and they look to have a bright future for the next 5+ years
     
  16. GasedAndConfused

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    my only original point was that mac wasn't the worst drafter and he was pretty average compared to other GMs. nothing is wrong about that. I broke down all his picks. show me 31 Gms that did better then him in those draft. if you can't my point is correct.
     
  17. GasedAndConfused

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    I don't really care about schools. it's all coincidental. plus i'd easily argue the jury is still out on both of those guys
     
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    Everything I've seen says it will be Sam Howell of UNC. I've never seen him play, so have no clue how accurate that is.
     
  19. ouchy

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    No morons think a crummy team can trade 3 seconds to grab a QB and still successfully build a contender around them.
     
  20. JetFan20

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    Right now it looks like Howell, Rattler, and Slovis.
     
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