it was players drafted % of starters % still with the team. it also penalized if you traded away a player after drafted (for instance adams falls under not with the team and hence a bad pick ignoring that we got 2 1sts and a 3rd for him and that he was an all pro) according to the way they do it edoga is a better pick then jamaal adams or leonard williams simply because he is still with the team and they aren't. it's a very flawed numbers study with 0 context. If i traded away my entire draft for 1 pick and that 1 pick is a decent starter i'd be the highest rated GM in their study. higher then a Gm that drafted 3 pro bowlers but whiffed on 3 late rounders.
I didn't say he was good. I said his drafts were average. he's drafted a hell of a lot better then the pats did for example. overall he wasnt good. he went all in on vets when we could have rebuilt. he gave up too much for sam, he whiffed on too many free agents (mosley, trumaine, bell) missed out on barr and cousins, wasted the free pick he got with teddy which was a great move (signing a player then flipping him for a 3rd a month later) letting demario davis walk, signing enunwa over robby. trust me it's a long list. the issue with people here is you are short sighted. you look at things as only right or wrong. everything is absolute. no grey area. things are either amazing or complete shit. you can't see that sometimes there is good an bad and things even out. you also don't compare things against a field. you only look at the jets in a bubble.
yes that was an awful pick. any GM who has made over 40 picks probably has an awful one where they thought they outsmarted everyone and was wrong
Aside from the Jets, the Bears were the only team that needed a QB in the first 10, so it's misleading to say "10 GMs passed on Mahomes", as though they were all looking for a QB. And we can all see that Chicago screwed up their chance too.
This is why I said at the time that Macc should've been fired on the spot before he could even make another pick. Instead, the Clown Brothers handed Macc and Bowles extensions! Just who is the most ignorant in that situation?
in 2017 the bills needed a QB. they were picking 10th overall. watson and mahomes were on the board. they traded back to 27th and got a a 1st for 2018, a 3rd in 2017. They knew at the time they needed more then a QB and no QB in the draft is a sure thing. they used the 27th pick on tredavois white. then used the 3rd rounder to trade down and and wound up getting zay jones and dion dawkins. then in 2018 they took a QB. josh allen 7th overall 3rd QB taken a guy i really liked but everyone here hated and said would be a bust. they used the extra 1st and traded up a few spots to get trumaine edwards. in 2019 despite allen still being just decent and not having much at WR they worked on the lines. they drafted ed oliver 9th overall. then in 2020 they signed some o-linemen as they had been building it and traded their 1st for stefon diggs to give allen a legit WR1. now they are in the playoffs with a well rounded team and in a good position to be good for quite a while. The giants needed a QB and passed on one for a RB then took a QB next year. deferring a QB is fine. people on forums put too much emphasis on it. a well rounded team will do better then selling the farm for an amazing QB.
Not to mention that the Bears got absolutely fleeced because Ryan Pace was convinced someone else was moving up to get Trubisky. Two third rounders and a fourth rounder to take a QB that most teams probably have a third round grade.
looking for a QB or not is irrelevant. hell the bills had their option of mahomes or watson and needed a QB but traded down and took a QB 2 years later. the browns 1st overall needed a QB but took a DE instead and a QB a year later. SF needed a QB but were still hoping jimmy g would work out they took a DE. Jax needed a QB but took a RB, Ten needed a QB but took a WR, matter of fact every team in the top 10 replaced their QB within 2 years of that draft except SF who should have and is now looking for a new QB so yes they did need them 1) browns - took mayfield a year later 2) bears drafted trubisky over watson and mahomes 3) SF - looking to replace jimmy g after giving him 3 years too many 4) Jax - cut bortles a year later 5) Ten - cut mariota 2 years later, signed tannehill 6) NYJ - drafted sam a year later 7) Chargers - rivers lasted 2 more years then they drafted herbert 8) carolina - benched newton for kyle allen (a drafted QB) 2 years later then signed teddy b as a FA 9) Cincy - drafted burrow 3 years later but should have replaced dalton sooner 10) Bills - drafted allen a year later
What's your point? The FACT is that none of the teams you mentioned AT THAT POINT IN TIME WERE LOOKING FOR A QB! It doesn't matter what you think they should have done, the FACT is that only Chicago was actively looking for a QB. And the Jets - Macc - were not looking but should have been - and THAT is a massive failure on the part of Maccagnan. If he done nothing else wrong, he should've been fired for that because look at the snowball effect of that failure wrought.
With all due respect, Tyrod Taylor had just put together two solid years where he averaged 95 QB rating (99 and 90) and 575 rushing yards to boot. Jets starting QB was rated 60 and played like dog shit. No one NEEDED QB more than we did. This was a failure of colossal proportions. This was a rare case where he didn't even have to be a good scout - just pick ANYONE at the position, and our fortunes will change for next 15 years. No such luck.
Who is the top QB in 2022? Right now the top ones this year have been known as elite prospects at the position
I wonder how many yards Sam would have if he had the same system and same oline longer than one season and he was throwing to Calvin Megatron Johnson? Stafford had I think like 5 years throwing to one of the best WRs ever. We'll never know!
Good take. This is why I was saying Douglas probably has these non-Trevor QBs in a bucket, and is willing to trade down from #2 as long as he can still get one of them. Same way he did with WRs last draft.
Actually I doubt Douglas has them grouped together in a "bucket", as though all were equal and he'd be happy with any of them. I suspect that he has them ranked, and graded and will take the highest ranked/graded that's available - assuming he even wants a QB, which I know that answer drives everyone crazy, but we can't assume that he even doesn't want Darnold.
but you just poked a huge hole in your argument. maybe the jets at that point weren't looking for a QB. we assume as fans they were. They had drafted a QB in the 2nd round a year earlier and a QB in the 4th round 2 years earlier. they signed mcown as a stop gap/mentor. maybe they liked what they had in hack and petty. We didn't draft a QB at all in 2017 not even a late round flyer. so based on what you said adams was still the correct pick. but you won't see the fallacy in your logic
if that's the case why did they dump taylor so fast. Taylor isn't good but i do feel bad for him buffalo drafts josh allen dumps taylor - allen in the playoffs and pro bowl now goes to cleveland, gets knocked out of game 2, rookie baker comes in, taylor never gets his job back 2 years later he's in LA, they draft herbert. a doctor punctures his lung pre game, herbert has to start, wins ROTY taylor never gets his job back now he'll be looking for a 4th team in 5 years and again maybe the jets liked what they had in petty and hackenberg. we drafted a QB in round 2 the year prior and round 4 2 years prior. there is no way to say the jets wanted a QB that draft. it's all speculation.
No, there is no "fallacy in my logic". I already said that the Jets weren't looking for a QB, but the fact that they weren't proves how clueless Macc was about his own team's needs. We can extend this argument to say that more than the Bears and the Jets needed QBs as your own post suggests, but they clearly were NOT lookng for a QB. The post of yours I initially responded to implied that there were 10 team actually looking for a QB, and I countered that with the fact this was simply not true.
I didn't - nor has anyone else that I can tell - claimed that the Jets wanted a QB - THAT is the problem: Macc SHOULD HAVE wanted a QB but he didn 't. But you originally started this argument by saying 10 teams passed on Mahomes, implying that there were 10 teams actively looking for a QB but who didn't consider Mahomes worth taking. There are two parts to your faulty defense of Macc: 1. That 10 other GMs didn't think Mahomes was worth taking. 2. That Macc wasn't an idiot for not taking a QB when all he had on the roster were one of the worst rated QBs in the league and an unproven 2nd round pick that according to some observers "Couldn't hit the ocean if he was standing on the beach". I've provided ample facts to explode these assertions. If you want to keep torturing logic and language to try and avoid admitting you're wrong, have fun.
but then doesn't that make the other GMs who didn't take a QB clueless as well? we can do this all day. the problem here is because we have a bias towards the jets (all being jet fans and all) we dig deeper into them, focus on them, and look at them more more scrutiny instead of looking at them as 1 of 32 NFL teams and looking at the other 31 teams evenly.
Those two factors are huge and definitely made a difference. Whether they make a bigger difference than Sam's poor footwork/mechanics, his inability to read defenses, and poor decision making is debatable.
