That turd McShay is a laughing stock and a joke along with Kiper. They both no longer have any credibility in my eyes. They both are gimmicks https://bleacherreport.com/articles...raft-notable-picks-from-espn-gurus-final-mock Here is McShay's final mock draft from 2017. He has Mitchell Trubisky as his #1 QB and has Watson going #25 and Mahomes going #32. Let me be clear...Todd McShay is clueless
True, but that is two different subjects. The point is he was good enough to be picked in the Top 10 and clearly #1 overall. Trubisky is a bust. Most agree now, but the Bears thought he was worth the pick and they took him. I agree with them. QB is too important of a position. If you are sure on a guy, go get him. They were wrong, but that is life. Don't say "Fields will be good at #5, but at #2? That is a bad move and a reach!" Stuff like that drives me nuts. To be fair, in his latest mock he said he did it without trades but expects a lot of trades. That is why Fields fell to 15. Stupid to make a mock you know is inaccurate, but that is on him.
Oh, Todd. McShay's first mock draft has the Jets taking Sewell at 2, the Falcons taking Wilson at 4, and Fields being selected by... ...the Patriots at 15. https://247sports.com/Article/Todd-...FL-Mock-Draft-Ohio-State-Buckeyes--158769054/
Lmao that fool said... "I know that no one agrees with me and it is fine" Smh, waste of time as a expert PERIOD. I am speculating there are some underlying issues and theme with him and Kiper.
It sure is. There is no point to waste time on this moron. I get he likes Zach more that Fields, which I guess is OK, but when you put him at 15, all credibility is destroyed.
Maccagnan was a terrible drafter, both in concept and execution. He made 34 picks in his 5 years running the Jets draft. Of those 34 picks 7 turned into starters - but with a catch. Only 5 of them turned into starters with the Jets and 4 of those 5 were taken on the #6 pick overall or earlier. 2 of the 5 were traded before their rookie contract was up. Of his 22 picks in 2015-2018 6 lasted 3 full seasons or better with the Jets. This despite the Jets picking towards the top of the draft in two out of the three seasons. Again, 2 of the guys were traded be cause of problems they created for the Jets. Leonard Williams because he just wasn't that good and Jamal Adams because he was a whiney little bitch in the end.
you have to compare him to others. you are also being biasedly negative. 2015 1) leonard williams - pro bowler 2) devin smith - injury bust (hard to predict injuries) 3) Moulden - injury bust 4) petty - took a swing at a QB and it failed 5) Jarvis harrison - project lineman that didn't work out 7) Deon Simon - project d-line that didn't work out this overall was a bad draft. williams turned into a pro bowler right after getting traded away from the jets. he was solid to us and considered the best player in the draft by many and we took him 6th overall. it was a good pick. smith hurt but injuries are hard to predict. I wanted DGB that yeah but he was also a bust and taken 2 picks later. that whole 2nd round sucked. it was a bad draft for everyone. everyone taken within 10 picks of smith was a bust. moulden was always hurt in the 3rd but again that round sucked. everyone else taken in the 3rd after him was a bust except henry anderson and ty montgomery. it was just a shitty talent draft overall. all teams did bad. the flyer on petty sucked but again only 2 good players were taken in the 4th so another 28 teams bombed their pick. anyhting after the 4th is just a crap shoot so while they draft sucked outside of williams all teams had the same struggle. it was a shit draft with only like 1-2 good players in each round after the 1st round. 2016 1) darron lee - I know everyone hated him but again the talent in this round sucked. the only other player we could have taken who was decent was will fuller. and since mac picked up robby as an UDFA who was the same type of WR as fuller but better it's hard to complain. 2) hackenberg - took a flyer on a QB this was a bad pick but again every 2nd rounder after him was also a bust. the talent just wasn't there 3) Jordan jenkins - great pick the guy has been a solid starting OLB for us for 5 years. great against the run and solid pass rusher. 4) Justin burris - bad pick he was a bust and this one stings becuase dak was taken later in the 4th. had he taken the flyer on dak things would be way different. demarcus robinson and alex lewis were the only other good players we could have taken 5) Brandon shell - solid player for a 5th rounder. currently starting for the seahawks in the playoffs. a steal for a 5th rounder 7) lac edwards and cherone peake - anything you can find here is good. edwards was a solid punter for us for 4 years and peake was traded which landed us braylon edwards so good return there overall a pretty good draft all things considered. the 1 huge mistake was taking a flyer on hackenberg instead of one on dak 2017 1) jamaal adams - best SS in the NFL. pro bowler and all pro. we were able to trade him for 2 1sts and a 3rd. 2) maye - top 10 safety in the NFL. one of the top 3 players on the jets currently ok i wont list it but the rest of this draft is bad. he grabbed 2 WRs both were wrong ones. he whiffed hard in the middle of this draft with tons of talent around like kittle, galladay, godwin and more. this draft was loaded in the mid rounds and mac whiffed. and his late round flyers didn't work 2018 1) darnold - he traded a lot to move up to 3 and grab darnold who was the highest graded QB since luck to enter the draft. it was the right pick and everyone here loved the pick. it didn't work out but it's hard to fault him for this one and we didnt do anything to help him either thanks to poor ownership 3) shepard - great pick and one of the studs on our stacked d-line 4) herndon - great pick. herndon was a beast as a rookie TE. steal in the 4th. he lost a year with injury and struggled this year but flashed at the end. he's a starting TE that could be a top 10 in the NFL which is a great pick 6) 3 picks here but these rounds are flyers. cannon and nickerson busted out but he struck gold with foley who is out starting NT and playing like a beast. 2019 1) Q williams - people hated the pick but he's a beast. top 5 player at his position in the NFL. only aaron donald was better in 2020 3) polite - good idea. the talent was there but he was a POS person and busted out due to that 3) edoga - solid depth guy with potential to start at RT 4) wesco - can't really judge him. he hasn't had much playing time 5) cashman - has looked good in spurts but innjured too much 6) bless - looks like a steal again. has played very well as a starting CB and hasn't been injured So overall mac really only had 1 bad draft and even in that we landed adams and maye. his picks in 2018 and 2019 have given us a great d-line not to mention he traded a 7th for anderson who was solid for us for a few years. he was pretty average when you look across the board. sometimes a draft class just sucks and fans of other teams are saying the same thing about their GMs becuase of all the busts but sometimes there is no right pick. that was the point. Where mac was bad was paying out way too much to FAs that failed. his contracts to enunwa, bell, mosley, trumaine were just bad. signing enunwa over robby was dumb but JD was just as bad letting robby walk for perriman.
Anything's possible with the national championship game. I just think QB's get overdrafted every draft so I find it hard to fathom a scenario where the clear 2nd/3rd best guy falls that far. We usually see 3 QB's taken in the top 15 in most recent drafts. I think one of either Fields or Wilson could drop but I think that's more likely to be Wilson with his injury concerns and being more of a one year wonder than Fields.
Someone did an analysis comparing Mac to the average GM, looking at how many of their picks became starters and how many were even in the league after X number of years. I can't find the study, it was a couple years ago, but it basically concluded that Mac was not only a bad GM, he was literally one of the worst drafting GM's of all time. This is not the hill to die on lol.
Wow, what an unbelievable overrating of Mac, just incredible. We got Williams, Jenkins, Shell, Adams, Maye, Shepard, Herndon, Q, Edoga, and Austin out of 5 drafts, where we were picking in top 5/10 every time, not to mention early pick in every round. That is atrocious. Especially since Hack's pick resulted in missing Mahomes and Watson, and another huge miss on Sam, after giving up multiple picks to move up 3 spots and having #6 to begin with. Yes, he got Pro Bowlers in Adams and Leonard, but without a QB, we were not competitive with them, couldn't responsibly resign them, and they only netted us 2 late firsts and a 3d. He essentially wasted top positions we had in a draft. The guy failed, as simple as that.
I can make an argument for why Maccagnan was a good GM: Yeah, Mac was terrible at drafting players but.................. He was terrible at everything else too. Oh wait. Never mind.
I could care less about mac. as a whole he didn't do a good job but that study was complete flawed and made no sense. there was no weight system. in that study drafting mahomes was just as good as drafting trubisky. obviously no sane person would agree with that. having a lot of late picks (5-7) will skew the results. a Gm who traded all their picks fares well in that even if they drafted 2 players who are just on the roster and looks better then mac drafting 2 pro bowl caliber safeties.
10 teams passed on mahomes who had the chance to draft him. that's 1/3rd of GMs no expert thought mahomes would become the best QB in the NFL by year 2. the hack pick was worse because if we were gonna take a flyer on a QB that draft we could have taken it on dak but again look at the whole 5 years. i could point any GM to horrible moves. I've done this i asked for who is the best GM and no matter who answered i pointed to awful moves by them. mac only "feels" worse to jet fans because we are close to the problem and don't pay enough attention to other teams
So you're aware of the study? Could you link it? If I recall it looked at % of players drafted that were starters, so the raw number of picks involved for a given GM would be largely irrelevant. I think it also looked at performance of the pick vs. average performance of someone drafted in that spot. It was pretty well done I think.
Defending Maccagnan. Lol. Sometimes you just defend a point to death because you make a dumb statement that's wrong and bury yourself in too deep of a hole to admit your wrong. C'mon man. Take the L. Maccagnan was an awful GM. Hitting on three picks in five years isn't commendable. There's a reason guys like John Idzik, Trent Baalke, and others end up with NFL jobs again and no franchise in the league will hire Maccagnan to go scout the MAC conference.
It wasn't even necessarily Mahomes, it's the fact he did not understand we needed a QB. We NEEDED a QB. There was Mahomes and Watson, both highly rated, take your pick and you can't miss. And yet he still missed, because he had a bust in Hack. Just truly disastrous turn of events he is responsible for. Let's not defend indefensible.
Just to (hopefully) conclude Mac topic, the amazing thing in 2017 draft is that he lucked out into situation where Mitch was off the board, and two other top 10 QB talents were Mahomes and Watson (order is debatable). We just had a season with Petty winning starting QB job. Yes, a 4th round pick, coming off 3TD, 7INT, 56%, 60 rating. Basically, our starting QB was the worst starting QB in NFL by historically WIDE margin no one was even close to for many years. All it would take for him is to say, "ahhh, wait a tick, the QB ain't seem that good, mebbe in this thing called drafts I can get me some", and he would luck out into the all star no matter who he picked. I mean this is incredible luck, which is MUCH harder to screw up than to hit. Not when you have Mac at the wheel though. "Mebbe not, got Hack already to sniff them super balls."
This pretty much sums up why Mac was so bad - he had absolutely no thoughts of his own and no conviction whatsoever. His draft philosophy was basically "take whoever has the smallest chance of putting heat on me and making me look bad". AKA he drafted "BPA" with no consideration whatsoever for impact of the position or team need. There was no vision for team building at all. Every pick was made with the intention of minimizing the chance he'd look bad to an uninformed observer.
Any one who would draft Hackenberg in the 2nd round should be have been fired on the spot. That has to be one of the worst picks in Jets history. The entire 2016 draft was horrible. What do you mean a pretty good draft?
