The end of an Error - The Gase years are over! (GASE officially FIRED)

Ding - Dong the witch is dead !

Now let's just hope they don't go out and get someone even stupider ........(though I am not sure that is even possible...)

 

I understand what you're saying but what about Andy Reid and I'm sure there are others

Personally, i don't think it's that simple. Winning big requires a lot of sacrifice for everyone. THere are tons of examples where players on winning teams started to gripe and complain about the demanding practices, sacrifice of some aspect of their game (i.e., indirect way of saying they're getting hit in the pocketbook for lesser stats). Coaches can lose the locker room even when winning.

So you can either refresh the roster (e.g., Seattle) or sometimes teams blame the coach

Then you have the situations where a GM changes and he has a different idea about the constitution of the team or the style of play, then the coach.

Point I"m trying to make is there are situations where the coach needs a change of scenery, not to reinvent himself

All that said, I like you am very skeptical of those coach changes but also think there are exceptions. ANd I'll admit i fell victim to that thinking. I was spectacularly wrong about Gase, thinking a change of scenery from Miami was what he needed, and we would benefit. Not only wat that not the case, but FLores hiring in MIami showed how quickly a team can turn around and can give us hope

 

Im not good with social media, all I see is the announcement and redacted information on the right like they are hiding Jeffrey Epstein information. Where does it show Perrine liked it?.

 

Andy Reid is an anomaly and had a year in between his firing year. He's one of the best coaches of all time.

Compare that to other coaches recently fired and hired the following here and compare the resumes and they're monumentally different. Reid had two losing seasons in fourteen years and one of them was his first year as the head coach.

 

I can imagine Perine being very frustrated with his use this year and liking the firing, but i think it's a bad call to take to social media with that. Bad look and karma

Play lights out next year and let your game do the talking. there are a lot of guys who complain about the coach, then suck with the next coach or next team -- don't be one of those guys

 

I called for Gase to be fired after his first year, especially after I saw what Tannehill did, but let's call things what they are: Rhule and McCarthy, the other coaches people wanted and were considered, did a shit job too when they landed HC gig this year. I would not call going 5-11 as a good job, even with strong schedule, after the previous coach was fired for exactly the same record. We need to find candidates that can do better than all 3 of these guys.

The point I was making is that it is easy to shit on Johnson for Gase, but even the other coaches people did want did shit job, and Johnson turned things around by getting JD in, Gase out hours after season is over, and also by not firing Gase in mid season, which could have given us a couple of meaningless games boost and losing a chance at Fields. The whole pool of coaches provided by Mac for interviews two years ago looks pretty bad now, and JD needs to find better candidates than we had back then. I trust that he will.

I do feel Johnsons are finally getting things right, and I personally am very excited for this offseason.

 

Anyone notice how the sun is shining out today?

 

Then you are sadly mistaken. It is totally unrealistic to expect a new HC to make the playoffs or go 9-7 their first year automatically. You have to look at the talent on the team, the culture on the team, injuries, this year there was Covid to deal with which was new for everyone, etc. Saying he did a poor job just shows that you know little about the Panthers situation and that your expectations are unrealistic.

 

Gase could be college bound.

 

I’m finding it hard to defend the Johnsons in any way. At the end, they own the team so it ALL falls on them. The good and the bad. They have shown time and time again they have no clue. They tried various ways of hiring....a recruiting firm (bad idea, as they have no real connections or intimate knowledge of the NFL), a committee of former GMs (better idea but terrible execution in going with 200 year old Charley Casserly)...they have made consistently terrible HC hires....they tried to dictate assistant coaches (good for Rhule for calling them out on their arranged marriage bullshit) as if they know better than the HC about who should be on their staff...they tried marrying existing coaches with new GMs and vice versa....

just bad bad bad all the way around.

I don’t think they deserve much credit at all for how they are running the football operation, and the record speaks for itself.

so now we have to hope that they may have finally lucked into a strong GM

 

Expectation of improving upon 5-11 record, resulting in firing of last coach is unrealistic? You are the one who is sadly mistaken here. By no stretch of the wildest imagination what Rhule has done so far can be considered a "great job".

 

Does Peyton Manning have any eligibility left? That's about the only way Gase will have success there (or anywhere).

 

There's a difference between hiring a guy who has demonstrated they can be a successful coach whose message has gone a bit stale and hiring a guy who has outright failed and whose specialist area - which is your priority - has been downright terrible though.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Because I know that McCaffrey missed a bunch of games, their D personnel was not good, they had a number of young, inexperienced players playing who made mistakes. Their DL wasn't very good, they were predicted to be one of the worst 2-3 teams before the season started, yet were very competitive and in every game except in yesterday's game against the Saints and the two games against the Bucs. They beat Washington, the Cardinals, the Chargers, gave the Packers a tough game, lost to the Chiefs by 2 points, and by only 3 points the first game against the Saints.

 

You know...it’s interesting.

on the one hand, you are what your record says you are, as Parcells so eloquently put it. And that’s true. But it also needs to be viewed in context. On the surface, a 5-11 record is not good in and of itself, but you also have to consider the context...what is the roster? What does the division look like? Is it the start of a rebuild? Is it a playoff caliber team? Etc.

I don’t follow the Panthers closely enough to really have a solid opinion of Matt Rhule’s performance this year. I do know they were not a good team to start with. I don’t think anyone expected them to be a playoff team this year. So yeah, had Rhule taken them to 9-7 and a playoff berth, most would be saying he did a GREAT job. As it is, their record is probably a good reflection of their talent...a mediocre team. What I don’t have any knowledge of is what their plan is...what their real expectations were, etc.

which brings up the question of how long does it take to know?

most of us on this board kind of knew Gase was not a good hire the day it was announced. He had a bad record at Miami and kind of odd off field issues with alienating some good players. Landry comes to mind. Tannehill did not develop under him. We all saw these things that our moronic owners didn’t.

in the old days, there were plenty of cases where coaches took years to develop, but that was before free agency...these days, it’s possible to turn a team around much more quickly. So to me, two years should be enough time to see if the coach has it or not. With Gase, it was quicker, but two years should be enough.

I don’t think great coaches suck for too long. They may step into shitty teams, but it seems like a good coach will show signs of improvement quickly.

 

Hello Mr. Johnson, my name is Coach Tomsula...

 

Thank fuck for that.

 

I really feel Johnsons did terrible last 10 years mainly because of hiring Mac, resulting in Bowles and Gase. But first 10 years they did pretty decent with Izdik and Rex. Do you know how many times Jets have made to Conf Finals after winning SB3 before Johnsons took over in 2000? Exactly one time with Bill Parcells in 30 years. In that same 30 year span they made play-offs 7 times. When Johnsons took over, in 10 years they made play-offs 6 times. So, if you want to talk about record, Johnsons did some good things in first 10 years, and even overall in 20 years seems better than in previous 30 under different ownership. Last 10 years were brutal, but you said to look at the record, and then ignored half of it.

What I am saying is right now it looks to me like Johnsons are righting the ship again. Mainly because they got what looks like a good GM in JD, they immediately fired Gase after season is over, but not mid-season as this could have resulted in a couple of extra meaningless wins and a loss of Fields. And Johnsons were always willing to spend when GM asked. Things are looking in the right direction now and I for one don't want ownership change at this time.