I think Lawrence was a bit handcuffed at times given the offense he was on. Dabo + Elliott run a lot of QB counters, screens, etc. They did the same thing with Deshaun Watson. It reminds me a bit of Herbert to be honest. He's far outperformed what a lot of draftniks thought he'd be so early on. But he had a head coach that leaned on the run game and didn't let Herbert air it out which turned out to be his strength.
So if Fields has a bad game in the CFC what QB should we be drafting next week? We need Fields to have a good game next week to increase his trade value. We are lucking out right now. There probably wont be another opportunity to hold a tradable pick this valuable to rebuild our crappy team. Oh I forgot, since we won games against two sleepy teams we are the best 2-13 team in history. Just give us a new QB and were playoff bound. Its 2018 all over again. "But this time we'll do it right." Last time we traded away our draft capital to not do it right. Now people want to pass up a ton of draft capital to not do it right. How about we do it right first and then get a QB? Were standing at a slot machine right now and two 7s have come up. The third wheel is spinning. If Fields has even just a pretty good game in the CFC we will hit the jackpot. The jackpot is not a QB. Were not ready to spend a #2 on a QB. The jackpot is draft capital to rebuild our crappy team.
At this point of the season, what do you expect? Many of us haven't seen every game Fields has played, or every game any collegiate player has played. As we see video or see them play in games, we form impressions. The key is not to stop with just one or two games and leave it at that. One needs to look at a lot of video, look at the pro analysis videos on the web (not the ones where college kids are doing them), read scouting reports, etc. In my case, I had forgotten what Fields looked like last year, and only saw highlights of his two bad games this year. Posters on here were trashing Fields, hyping Wilson, hyping Lance, and I have seen a ton of Trevor Lawrence games. I've started watching video of games and analysis videos and reading scouting reports, but one can't ignore a game like last night or bad games that players have had. We don't get to question the player, but hopefully some interview info makes it to the web so we can read it. It's a process for serious students of the draft. For those who don't follow college football or the draft, then yes, it will be reactionary, but that's understandable, and in the end it doesn't really matter. The important thing is that the GM, Scouting Dept., the HC, and the owners aren't reactionary, and the owners stay out of it.
I get it, believe me. QBs are hard to find, that's why we haven't had a competent one since Pennington and a great one ever really. I guess my thought was this team was historically bad this year and we aren't a QB away from competing. This team is loaded with holes and question marks. We may be 2-14 this year and years from being competitive. Passing on Fields scares me because he could be great but a bounty of pics would put us on track. If we don't take Fields and Darnold/Morgan isn't the answer we will still be in a position to draft a QB because we will still be picking high.
This is not really a huge debate. Gase is fired. JD is taking trading back 1-2 spots and taking Sewell. Carolina and Atlanta will both move up to take Fields or Wilson to secure their future. They have zero! Now you have Darnold, Morgan and even keep Flacco as you have the biggest draft haul of assets on top multiple top picks to build a team for a decade plus. You have a talented young QBs on the roster who can be NFL starting caliber QBs. There's really no screwing this up. And if the Darnold fails...we pick high next year with even more draft capital at our disposable. I mean JD can trade for key players all day after this haul.
Who is this guy? I've never heard of him. His video is totally unprofessional, and casts suspicion on his credibility imo. I understand that you can't "judge a book by its cover," but if he wants to build a career and credibility, he needs to understand that how he is dressed, and the quality of the video are important.
We've had our differences, but I've always respected your knowledge and opinion, and I've always believed in acknowledging GREAT posts. All those enamored with trading down need to read this 3-4 times and seriously ponder it. Spot on! Thanks!
I can save you the time and energy from wondering that. It's not gonna happen. Where Sam is presently with his footwork/mechanics and issues, he isn't capable of having a game like that.
If you read the link I posted to the Football Unlocked article where he talks about the 2020 QB class (before the draft), he points out that most QBs actually do need to have the system built around them. Only the truly elite QBs, like Manning, etc. can adapt to any system. Even Brady had a system built to his strengths. This was (is) the major failing of Gase as a HC/OC - he fails to adapt to his QB. Maybe he was spoiled by Manning, but whatever, he's colossally wrong. And this is the major reason why Darnold has struggled too - both Bowles and Gase failed to adapt to his strengths. All that said, Fields (and Wilson and Lawrence) all have higher ceilings than Darnold, so it makes sense to take one and build around them, not Sam. at this point.
I will read his site, and watch the rest of the video, but he certainly looks like an idiot or some wino off the street.
You're right...you can't judge a book by its cover. Listen to what he says, not how he looks saying it.
What good team has he had good stats against until last night? Piling up stats against what has been a weak Big Ten doesn't impress me. See Haskins... He had good games against 2 top 10 teams until last night. Great sample size.. His other decent games came against dregs or teams over-rated because people gave the big 10 too much credit. I say the jury is still out. I hope he is the next coming but people need to pump the brakes
Well of course. Quarterbacks need support but they also need to make plays. I don't know the best system for Darnold because he's been so inept at basic concepts that are apart of every NFL offense. Quarterbacks also evolve in systems. Brady is a good example. The system he won his first three Super Bowls in was much different from the system that he worked in thereafter with Moss and Welker and then the Gronk/Hernandez combination.
You don't think it over the top to swing from he's shit to he's better than TL, thank god we are not picking him now? I also didn't say ignore the game but it is just one game, he played as well last night as he did badly the other night, why shouldn't both stick in the mind and be carefully considered, rather than proclaiming in the new FQB and as people have said on here I'm all in on Fields. Nobody was saying that 1 game ago, it is madness or desperation or both.
So Fields went from being a bust to Mahomes in one night. I'm a fan of rebuilding a crummy football team. Not decorating them with a shiny object. Rebuilding is not something you can do slapdash. Has the last 10 seasons taught us nothing?
That's the thing you miss. If Douglas builds the rest of the team without the QB, we won't be drafting high. We'll have records like 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 and be drafting in the 20s. There will be no chance to trade up because no team is going to trade down that low, and the cost would be insane. Unless another Brady comes along and drops like a rock, we'll never get that QB, Douglas will get fired, and then we'll be back to the Johnsons doing the hiring. We already have 9 draft picks and a ton of cap space. Since we wouldn't have to trade up for Fields, Douglas would still have 8 other picks and cap space to build around Fields. If he trades Sam, we'll have another draft pick or two. With all due respect (truly!), and I hope that you'll accept this in the spirit in which it was meant, but it doesn't sound like you really get it since you are willing to trade down and try building the team first. If you really get it, not taking a QB in 2021 wouldn't even be an option unless it was an awful class for QBs. Trading down a little and taking a QB a little lower is one thing, but trading down taking position players and not taking a QB wouldn't even be an option. You'd know that you have to keep taking QBs until you're sure you have the right one. You'd know that it's too risky to pass on a prime FQB prospect like Fields or whomever. You'd know that it would be 100 times worse to pass on that QB and see him become a star elsewhere than it would be to take him and he not be the answer. Getting a FQB is worth the risk. You'd stay put, take the QB, and trust Douglas to build around him. Douglas isn't Mac, Idzik, Bradway or any of the other idiots that have served as our GMs for the last 30-40 years.
