hahah yea nice try dude......I explained to you that you were wrong about his arm strength. Its evident you never watched him play if you can say something so far out of realit. Your attempt to portray my view as skewed kinda falls flat
Fields footwork and arm mechanics are fantastic. The question is if you can coach him to throw over the middle better than he has because the system he plays with us all to the sidelines/up the seam/deep down the field. I don't really get this mentality. He was taking Lawrence just like the other 31 NFL GM's would've.
This was our exact philosophy under Maccagnan and it absolutely killed us. We drafted way too many defenders, mainly interior DL, and were left as the least talented team in the league because half of his "sure fire"/BPA picks didn't even work out. Drafting is mainly a crapshoot. I think you generally want to maximize opportunities (# of picks) and focus on positions of need. The reality is that some positions are a lot more important than others. QB is easily twice as important as any other position, and probably more like 3-4X as important. OL is important, but less so when we just used a first rounder on Becton and he appears to be good.
Rather than discus if college QB A is better than B, or C has a stronger arm than D, I wanna take a step back and put myself in Joe Douglas' shoes and decide if we're even TAKING a QB. And if so, will it be a first level like Fields/Wilson that he'd have to burn his top pick on, or look at some 2nd tier player we can trade down for a bit and still land. Start here with me: Joe is sitting at the very top looking down at the whole mess. He's had 18 months to watch his players (the players he inherited and his players). He has a great grasp of where the team is, and where the team isn't. He has a good feel for our glaring holes and a good feel for what's out there via trade, FA, or draft to start plugging. 1) Are we a team of seasoned vets who tickles the PO ivory every year, but just can't get over the hump? Where a single player (or two) may do the trick? 2) Or are we a young team in need of a total rebuild, top to bottom? If Joe decided we're a talented VET team in search for a few more pieces, he'd keep Sam and probably Gase too just for the continuity. He wouldn't have time to bring in a rookie QB and a whole new staff without losing at least a year, probably 2 while our Vets start aging out. If he had a team that's ready to win NOW, he'd have no choice but to keep Sam&Gase for continuity (which is huge), get them some more weapons and hit the ground running in year 3 of Gases philosophy. Win NOW baby! But fortunately, Douglas will see a young team that needs help top to bottom. No need to rush the rebuild for the sake of your Vets. In this case, JoeD will look for a new QB, with a whole new Coaching Staff coming in. The entire team will undergo a complete reset top to bottom....new players (draft/trades/FA), Brand new coaching staff, and brand new rookie QB. The whole team will be learning from the ground up. Plus with a new HC and a new QB, pressure is completely off 2021. And less pressure the following year too as his rebuild enters yr 3. Joe will burn a high draft pick on a new QB, but in doing so he will save $100M/4yrs by trading Sam. That $100M/4r he saves on Sam he can use on FAs. Joe Douglas will see a team in need of total rebuild that includes a new coaching staff and new QB. I hear a lot "Lets see what Sam has...lets get him a better oline, great weapons, and a great HC". But all of these metrics Joe will strive to get no matter who the QB is...needing these things doesn't change anything related to who's the QB. These are all basic elements of a good team. The only question comes down to HOW Douglas moves on from Sam. If Joe gets a good offer during the draft, Sam is gone. If not, Sam joins the team along with the rookie QB and they battle it out in TC. If another team has a QB go down in TC, Sam could be traded then. If Sam is still on the team opening day, he will start while our new QB sits at least half the season. Come the by week, the rook will take over and Joe will trade Sam to some playoff team at the trading deadline. I won't speculate what Joe can get for Sam. The better Sam plays against NE and the better he plays to start the 2021 season, the more Joe can get for him. But either way, Sam's days on this team are numbered. The REALLY last thing to discuss is what draft pick with Joe burn for our new QB? Our #2 for Fields/Wilson, or trade down, pick up more picks, and target one of the tier 2 QBs a bit further down. Draft order 1- Jags 2- Jets 3 -Miami (from texans) 4- Atlanta 5- Bengals 6- Eagles 7- Lions 8- Giants 9- Carolina 10 Denver First, Bengals my trade up with us from 5 to 2 to secure Sowell. Sowell is a player Miami (drafting at 3) would love after trading away Tunsil. That would put us a 5 behind Miami and Atlanta. Miami after losing out on Sewell would turn their attention to a different lineman or WR (Tua needs help in both). That leaves Atlanta at 4, which probably means one of Fields or Wilson is gone to Atlanta. That still leaves on of those for us, and we can trade THAT pick with say Eagles/Lions/Giants/ or Denver, would love to get a top QB. Lions are the most likely, and that puts us at 7 after 2 trade downs (bengals, lions) and Trevor, Fields, Wilson, Sewell, and whoever Miami picks are off the board. So sitting at 7 Joe can take our tier 2 QB there, or use it on a top WR Waddle or even the TE phenome Pitts or even go D and get DB Surtain. Tons of good non-qb options at 7. So many in fact, Joe could even work a THIRD drop back (small one) and still get his non-qb guy. Joe would then use our Seattle pick to get one of the tier 2 QBs and we are loaded!
Where did you get this stuff? Until Jackson came a long, Ozzie Newsome didn't have much luck with drafting QBs, but that doesn't mean that he didn't think they were important or planned on building the team first then finding his QB. There's absolutely nothing in Douglas' background or Ozzie Newsome's work as a GM that suggests that I've ever seen or read about. Even if that was the case with Ozzie (which I seriously doubt), Douglas has also worked in the Bears' and Eagles' organizations and seen a different approach and perspective. Douglas is his own man as well. He's smart and has the ability to think through situations for himself and come up with his own philosophy. He's free to pick and choose what he liked from the Ravens, from the Bears, from the Eagles, from other teams, and from his own creativity, and discard what he doesn't agree with. JD would have taken Lawrence. On that you can bank. There's no way that he was going to bypass a generational QB and be laughed out of the NFL. He may still like Sam, but he'd have to be a fool to base his career on resurrecting Sam and bypassing Lawrence, particularly with Sam's contract situation. Starting a ground up rebuild is NOT the time to have to pay a QB huge money, particularly when he hasn't earned that money. Starting a ground up rebuild is the best time to add a rookie QB. There's no pressure to win immediately and he can take his lumps and go through his growing pains and it won't hold the team back. This whole idea of having to wait until your team is built before one adds the QB is poppycock.
You sir would be a great GM. Trading down and collecting assets while keeping in reach to get a more than decent QB. History have shown us that you don't need to spend a 2nd overall pick to get a great QB. You actually might have more chance at 5 and lower. See the Bills, Chargers, Chiefs, Ravens, Packers, Steelers, Seahawks, New Orleans (via chargers), Patriots, Cowboys, Raiders. They all got their QB later in the draft. We need players everywhere and this year draft as a solid top 12 and the QB position other than Lawrence is pretty average. There are no point for us to rush our decision and draft a 2nd overall QB just because we need to move on from Darnold.
That's why I think Darnold should be traded before the draft. I think he needs to sit, not play next year. It probably won't help him or us to bring him back to start. If we draft a QB and he can't start day one, then we need a veteran to start until the rookie or Morgan are ready to play.
I agree with the idea that you don’t want to pigeonhole yourself into taking a QB no matter what. That’s how you end up with Dwayne Haskins, EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder, etc. However, if Douglas feels good about one of these QBs I don’t understand how you don’t pull the trigger at #2. The only QB the Jets have under contract beyond 2021 is James Morgan.
That's the thing. If it's a 'beyond great' prospect like Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence, then fine, use a top pick. But when it's a QB you have to convince yourself of, then don't burn a top pick. So many QBs fall into the 'maybe' bucket you can trade down then take any one of them. It's such a crap shoot after Trevor.
your missing the point. the point is it's a nonsense buzz word. anyone can be a bust. there is no such thing as can't miss
I watched him play many. he has average arm strength for an NFL QB. are you saying you aren't an OSU fan?
that's bullshit. Fields definitely has above average arm strength. Physically he has all the tools. That's not the problem at all. His throws come out hot, which is an indication of his arm strength. He may need to learn to throw with more touch as he develops. It reminds me a lot of Dak Prescott
it's not a problem. never said it was. Just saying he doesn't have a cannon of an arm. dak is a good comparison for his skill set but dak was very meh until he put it all together mentally and had a top o-line, multiple pro bowl caliber WRs and a pro bowl RB
I think Fields is a more athletic version of Prescott. But Prescott has/had a thicker frame. Fields also will come into the league better suited for NFL passing schemes as Ohio State really does have a complex intermediate passing attack.
Well, we get to see how Trask plays through adversity as he gets to play his bowl game tonight without his top 3 receiving options....
