Daboll got Allen a top 10 pick and Diggs a proven receiver to work with. He definitely groomed him a lot better than Gase did with Sam but he also had a lot better talent to work with.
I know the history of QBs sitting, and that the expectation now is that 1st round, especially top 10, QBs start immediately, but Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL now and sitting for a year didn't hurt him. You could be right about Douglas not really looking at drafting a QB this year, but I disagree. I think he is TOTALLY looking at taking a QB. You'd better believe that he was taking Lawrence. I believe that he wants to reset the QB cap if nothing else. What I, nor anyone else knows, is what he really thinks of Sam now. He may still believe in him. If so, then you're probably right that he will give Sam one more chance if the HC he wants is on board with that, but I don't think Douglas hangs his career on whether or not Sam can be salvaged, and I'd certainly hope that he doesn't refuse to hire the best HC prospect, if that candidate wanted to move on from Sam. I think he likes Sam as a person, so don't think he'd bring him back just to start next year then let him walk. I think he would want to help Sam resurrect his career elsewhere. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Well for one thing he is far more athletic with better touch and accuracy. I also don’t think Justin Fields would go out partying with strippers after a loss during a global pandemic, or is that an Ohio St QB thing that I don’t know about? Everything I’ve seen or heard about Fields is he wants to be great and puts in the work. That is probably the biggest difference between him & Haskins plus being on another level athletically.
true for all the "can't miss" guys the only one's still starting right now is burrow (too young to tell but looks good) and darnold (hasn't looked good overall) rivers wasn't considered can't miss. most people had him 3rd behind eli and ben but the chargers liked him more then ben.
I take the tackle or trade down and if the Seattle pick has one of the QBs we can take a flier ala greenbay or Phili did.
Well again, I disagree that Douglas was taking Lawrence for certain. Maybe. But honestly, I don't know what his plan is. I still do think that he's not necessarily thinking he needs to get a QB right now, and that's whether or not he thinks Sam is serviceable - if he thinks he isn't, he might just get another vet QB, and keep Morgan. (I'd love to know what he thinks of him p whether he thinks he was a huge miss, or if he just needs some more development). I also think that he's going to try and give whoever he hires as HC the option of keeping Darnold or not, drafting a QB or not, signing a vet or not. If there's a HC candidate he really likes, he's not going to let the QB question screw that up.
The big thing for me is that I would really only want a rookie QB or Darnold/Morgan starting next year. I don't see any advantage for signing a stopgap QB if we already are keeping Darnold/Morgan.
I think that the reason that you bring in a stopgap QB next year is to have someone to push Darnold in a QB competition in camp. After what we've seen from Darnold, he cannot be handed the job again, and I don't think anyone is thinking that Morgan will give him the push that he needs in camp. What they need to do, assuming the idea is to keep Darnold and forego drafting a QB high in the draft, is to let Darnold, Morgan, and veteran-QB-to-be-named-later compete in a true QB competition in camp. Not one of these deals like the one Sanchez won against Kellen Clemens, which was rigged from the start, or one like the Darnold/Bridgewater/McCown battle where the team was actively looking to trade one of the QBs. Let the three of them compete and whoever wins the job, wins the job.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this because there is no way Douglas could have not taken Lawrence. He would have been laughed out of the NFL if Lawrence came in and lit it up immediately even if Sam played at a higher level than he has previously. That would have likely been a career-ending decision, and I think there's no way that Douglas would have made that decision. It's possible that Morgan doesn't need a lot of development. Gase wasn't going to play him unless Sam, Flacco and maybe even Mike White got hurt and couldn't play. Gase was trying to save his job and career. He had no interest in playing a rookie or help develop a rookie. I don't think he ever even considered playing Morgan for one second, and that may have absolutely nothing to do with how Morgan looked in TC and practice. After all, he stuck with Gore, when Johnson and Adams showed a lot more vs the Raiders and other teams. Of course that doesn't mean that maybe Morgan wasn't a bad pick. We'll just have to wait and see about that. The one thing we agree on in this issue is that the new HC will have major input into the decision, and that I don't think Douglas would go against what the new HC wants.
Agree 100 per cent. Any QB not named TL would be a big risk at #2. We need assets, especially playmakers on offense and an edge rusher on defense.
What are the QB prospects like in 2022? How do they compare to the 2021 crop? That should factor into our thinking of taking one of the 4 talented but flawed prospects this year.
I choose... JOHNCENA***TRUMPETS*** Na idk much about the college kids and Darnold hasn't looked great so I really dunno. Unless you really believe he can pull a tannehill when Gase leaves probably best to move on.
More athletic - true but I don't care much about that. It's nice to have but with QB prospects 90% of what I'm concerned about is between the ears/passing-based. Running QB's almost always get hurt unless they're mooses like Newton or Allen. More accurate - based on what? Honest question, I haven't seen Fields play much. I see he has about the same completion % Haskins did at OSU and I've read elsewhere that their system involves a ton of short passes at/behind the LOS. I don't know how true that is but it matters if so. Wants to be great and put in the work - that's good if true. I didn't love his personality on QB1 but his dad seemed pretty strict which would be a good thing imo.
There certainly seems to be more of them that are fairly highly rated. It's interesting that 3 of the top 5 rated don't have prototypical size (all are 6'2" or 6'1"). There are several with prototypical size, but most of them are rated lower. Following is the link for a 2022 NFL mock draft database: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-drafts/2022 Here's a video that talks about potential 2022 NFL draft QB prospects: The potential top QBs (in no certain order) who may be in that draft class appear to be Sam Howell, UNC (6'1", 225) Spencer Rattler, Oklahoma (6'1", 205) Kedon Slovis, USC (6'2", 200) Tyler Shough, Michigan (6'5", 219) Jayden Daniels, Arizona (6'3", 175) J.T. Daniels, Georgia (6'3" 209) Hank Bachmeier, Boise St. (6'1", 205) Grayson McCall, Coastal Carolina (6'3", 200) Matt Corral, Ole Miss (6'1", 205) Michael Penix, Jr., Indiana (6'3", 218) Dillon Gabriel, UCF (6'0", 185) Phil Jurkovec, Boston College (6'5", 226)
Darnold was definitely not considered can't miss. He wasn't spoken about like that before the draft and nobody who's can't miss goes 3rd in their draft. Can't miss basically means every single team in the league would either take him or trade out of #1 if they had the #1 pick. I think it also means there are basically no glaring weaknesses as a prospect. Luck, Manning, Lawrence - they're all big, athletic, smart, good production, no injury concerns. You can't really find a major weakness in any of them. There were plenty of people sounding the alarms about Darnold's turnover issues in college.
Good call on Burrow. He's definitely another one. I thought I remembered Rivers as maybe being ranked 3rd by a few but basically no one thought he was going to be anything worse than an effective starting caliber NFL QB. I remember that was not universally true of Rothlisberger but that was so long ago I'm probably just not remembering right.
Can't miss to me means your realistic floor as a prospect is starting level NFL QB. I remember Darnold being rated #1 by almost everyone, except the Browns apparently, and his floor was considered the highest by far of the 4 guys. If there was any kind of pro opinion that Darnold wouldn't be a solid starter in the NFL I'd like to see it because I certainly don't remember that. The only question was exactly how good he'd turn out to be.
I'm not at all sure that Douglas was taking Lawrence no matter what. Yes, there was significant pressure to do so, but that's not the background he came from. He is a nuts and bolts, build from the ground up kind of guy. Get the pieces in place, then get your QB if you need one. I think JD is still on the Sam train and thinks he can be resurrected with the right coaching. This will be a major part of the evaluation of potential head coaches - what they think of Sam - ultimately he will lean heavily on the input of his new coach. So I'm guessing it's Fields or Sam. No other QB is close despite the hype.
Im not saying there arent concerns...there always are. I was specifically arguing the point of his arm strength which a couple people were making ridiculous statements about. Fields is much more accurate than Haskins and much better mechanics. Fields makes all the throws
I think this is a solid point that doesn't get focused on enough. For all points made against taking Sewell he himself is not a gamble. To the greatest extent possible with an NFL draft pick you know for a fact your getting a player thats going to really help your football team's offense with Sewell. Wide receivers and even moreso QB's your in the much more dangerous waters. There is something to be said for taking the surefire player with the premium pick. Then there is the reach problem. Much like the Jets pretty much "had" to take QWilliams with the #3 pick it looks like at this point settling for anybody else means your knowingly leaving the more talented player on the table. And that is at best sub optimal.
