In other words, they were hiding the deficiencies of the QB. I'm not saying that he played bad against the Rams, but the reaction to his performance has been rather over the top for what, for an average NFL QB, would be considered a rather mediocre performance. I do think that, under a different coaching staff, that Darnold could make some serious strides and become a good, possibly great QB. And, that's what we're going to have to hang our hats on because, unless the Jaguars somehow manage to screw up their own tank (which will be hard because they're actively trying to throw these last two games with the news of Minshew being benched), we're going to be rolling with Darnold again next season.
This is key. Sam's been so turnover prone during his time in the league that nobody trusts him enough to let him run a modern, high flying offense. He's also subpar as a game manager-type QB because he's not especially accurate and makes poor decisions with the ball. If Gase "opened up" the offense for Sam you can bet we'd see more of those 3+ turnover games we've come to dread. This all makes sense logically as well. Sam's main problem in college was turnovers. It's not easier to avoid turnovers in the NFL than college. Some guys work hard, improve, and overcome it. Most guys don't. Sam's fundamentals have not improved since college, we even have quotes from Sam that he feels no need to change his mechanics. The entire premise of this thread is flawed though. Sam didn't have a good game vs. the Rams. Good=at least above average, right? 200 yards and 1 TD is a below average game for a QB in the NFL in 2020. There are 34 different QB's that have averaged over 200 yards per game this season. There are 33 different QB's that have averaged over 1 TD per game this season. I've said this before and I'll say it again, it says a lot about Sam that half our fans think he had a great game when he simply avoids turning it over 3 times.
To me it's less about Sam and more about the available QBs. If you can improve in the draft you do it. I don't care if Sam breaks the record books next two games. We've had years of Darnold we know what he is. If they don't think there's a way to improve then we roll with Sam. I think the Cardinals set the standard with the Rosen/Murray situation. They moved on immediately. We've had Sam for 3 seasons how are we still debating this? And for the record I like Darnold.
It's possible, but not a foregone conclusion. If we don't draft a QB, there should at least be a vet brought in who can compete with Sam (and Morgan for that matter).
completed 71% - also should have had another 25 yard td that only a handful of guys could make but was dropped (resulting in a 3 and out)... Frank Gore is our starting rb and Crowder is the best WR... Gase our headcoach... Darnold played about as well a Qb can given all these factors.
I know we hate Gase, but gotta give Gase credit for drawing up a quick throw game plan against the NFLs top defense. Arron Donald never whiffed Sam's jockstrap the entire game. Yeah, Gase ran Frank Gore up the middle, but he also called several screen passes to the faster RBs (one when for TD). Also, gotta give Herndon props too. He caught a cpl key 3rd down passes. Keeping Gore in at the end is what sealed the deal. But Sam made great, quick decisions and good throws the entire game. This is the exact game plan the Patriots with Tom Brady had been playing for the last decade. Other than the year they had Moss, they've been winning with 3 Jamison Crowder's running slants and Gronk owning the seam. That's it. It's almost like Gase took a page out of their playbook. But hey, it worked.
Not many have talk about it but the O-Line play has improved ever so slightly...Pat Elflein the Guard we claim from Minnesota has been a improvement....Fant been steady and we all know about becton..Sam was sacked just two times against the Rams ...add in the fact our WRs are healthy ..I’m not saying they will beat the browns.. losing Q Williams for the rest of the year won’t help with trying to stop there running game... I wouldn’t be surprise if the offense competed despite Gase.....one last thing with improved line play let’s see if Sam shows anything.. he did if for ONE game... do it again!! ...I think we all can agree his Protection has been bad...I want to see how he looks with just a little time to throw
OK so Sam was above average in one metric and well below average in most others. That's still not a good game. The amount of cherry picking to try to say Sam is good is insane. We are at the point where people are choosing single stats from single games as evidence Sam is good lmao. It's unbelievable. We'd fail stats 101 so bad collectively as a fanbase. I really don't care if Sam had a TD dropped. 2 TD's in a game still wouldn't have been especially good and other QB's have TD's dropped all the time as well. You're making excuses for Sam that you don't make for any other QB. It's not a fair assessment. Crowder and Mims are starting WR's on most teams.
They were relatively competitive in his first two starts. That team has played hard and has some offensive playmakers. They could get blown out but Glennon isn't a definite tank move. The Jags have lost a lot of close games this year.
I’m sure all their receivers are out and the Jags are playing pin head Glennon.. fuck sakes we just can’t ever get a lucky bounce..
207 yds is a HOF game for Darnold nothing changes these last 3 games, he's still the same turnover machine, rattled deer in the head light QB we've suffered thru for the last 3 years here, his time here is over
I agree. I have never seen Lawrence as an Elway or Manning type, nor Namath (to go back a few years) a larger than life personality who can single handedly lead a team, both on the field and off. Which is really what the Jets need.
I mean I'm a Sam skeptic too but the Rams are supposed to have a top three-five defense in the NFL (and recently shut down both Russ and Brady) so the bar should naturally gonna be a bit lower for saying he had a good game against them than say, the Bronco game earlier this year. Or the Raiders more recently.
So you are saying that without healthy receivers or an o-line that can block or RBs that can rush the ball, Sam couldn't play well? And we shouldn't base his baseline performance off of a healthy, functioning team? Wtf kind of logic is this?
