Players we should not draft

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  1. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    I'm surprised about your dislike of Harris. He reminds me of Bell in his prime. I've only seen two games of his though.
     
  2. Hes a well rounded big productive back. I just dont think hes dynamic in space at the NFL level. He has a similar game to Bell but both in college & in his NFL prime LB could make guys miss just as often as he ran through them. Just dont see that w Harris. He has a high floor though.
     
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    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    I'll bow to your deeper knowledge, but I'd still keep an eye on him.

    What do you think of Allgeier of BYU as a mid-round pick? Will he last tuntil then, or go earlier, and if so, should the Jets use a higher pick on him? My thinking right now is he's a 3rd-4th rounder, and if they could get him there they should.
     
  4. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    yeah i'd rather have a well balanced line then 2 stud OTs and a shit interior.

    as far as little goes he's a 1st round talent that should slip to the 3rd due to not playing for 2 years basically. he'd make a great RT for us and can sit a year behind fant to get back up to speed then we can release fant in 2022 when he has an out and start little and becton and have mcdermott and edoga as backups
     
  5. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    he does by quite a bit. wilson can't make throws darnold can. I know it's been a while since we seen darnold do good stuff so it's easy to forget
     
  6. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    his accuracy deep has ben a weak spot in his game for sure. but his zip to the sidelines and arm angles and ability to throw on the run is very comparable to rodgers. sam can make any throw form anywhere at any angle. it's very impressive. he just overshoots deep balls to often which he has needed to work on form the get go.
     
  7. Borat

    Borat Well-Known Member

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    Darnold has been a top 5 prospect for sure, and his arm talent is there, but I think you are underestimating Wilson and Fields. They reason why they are ahead of Jones and Trask is precisely because they can make these throws as well, have good arm talent, and are mobile. I would say very comparable to Sam, if not better. Fields was elite prospect out of HS as well, and his stock went down a bit because of last couple of games, where he struggled with TOs against good defenses. That was Sam's weakness as well, but Fields still way less TO prone, and is a dual threat QB. He is definitely top 5/10 prospect, and I think given their talents, he goes ahead of Sam were they in the same draft. If Fields does well in the play-offs, he will be a near lock for #2.

    Zach's case is not as clear cut, since he did not have a good last season, like Fields, and also he had a shoulder surgery before on his throwing hand, so there are some injury concerns. But he really elevated his game this year, which coupled with Fields struggling, propelled him as a possible alternative for as high as #2. According to FSS, he leads the league in throws that are not interceptable, something like that, basically very accurate and does not give up the ball.

    At this point I feel Jets have to wait for NCAA play-offs to play out and get both guys in for workouts/interviews. I think if Fields impresses the Jets, he will be the pick, and if not it will be Zach. Basically it will be very similar to when we picked Sam - there are a couple of guys who CAN develop into really good QBs. We still need one. And this time we just do not need to trade up to get one.
     
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  8. REVISion

    REVISion Well-Known Member

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    Regarding Sewell - it doesn't make sense to sink more assets into OL when our QB is the worst in the league with a clean pocket. Having a great OL is awesome but it's meaningless when there's nothing behind them worth protecting.
     
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  9. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    alot will depend on the next few months but i will say wilson and fields don't have the arm talent that sam has. outside of mahomes, allen, and watson no QB has had that arm talent in the pasy 5 drafts. your really underestimating what sam can do and it'll be apparent if we draft a QB like fields or wilson
     
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    REVISion Well-Known Member

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    How can it be possible for anyone to underestimate Sam? He has three years of horrendous production under his belt. He's being properly estimated.

    Also, if his arm talent is that good shouldn't it have translated into better stats over the course of three years? How important can it be given Sam is probably the worst starting QB in the NFL?
     
  11. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    bad system, not making the right reeds, injuries, bad o-line, no WRs, bad coaching etc. Josh allen had the most arm talent and came into the same situation. the difference is 3 years later he has a good o-line, they got him good WRs, he had good coaching, and now he's playing at a pro bowl level and going to the playoffs. arm talent alone doesn't make a good QB. cutler had amazing arm talent. guys like peyton manning and drew brees did not. neither did pennington. their arms were good enough but they had everything else mastered

    At the end of the day, if we pick 2 it's not about what darnold has done, it's about if JD thinks the 2nd tier Qbs can be better then sam. if he think they can't he doesn't take one. If we pick 1st somehow then sure take tlaw. if not it's going to be a really tough call. After the season and combine i'll decide if a tier 2 QB this draft is worth it IMO. but the only opinion that counts is JD in reality.
     
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  12. James Hasty

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    Agreed.
     

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