So, where do we go from here?

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  1. Jets79

    Jets79 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah...I love the idea of a dominant OL, and I would not be upset if we drafted the tackle at 2 honestly, but I do think there are probably better ways to use the #2 pick. The first thing I’d do is call the Bengals and convince them that if they want the tackle, make us an offer to swap spots. I think they need the tackle way more than we do...they have no use for a QB. If we can swap with them and acquire some more picks that’d be great. Then, personally I would not draft Fields. I’d either take a receiver at three or move down a bit more and take a QB a bit later. I haven’t seen Wilson play so I can’t comment on him, but I don’t want Fields.

    will be very interesting.

    typically Jets luck...we pick second in a one QB class...
     
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  2. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    I think people are making a false assumption about what Douglas's plan is. Yes, if he has the #1 he might set aside his original plan to take the "generational QB", but I don't think that was his intent, nor would I be shocked if he traded the pick for more premium picks. I think Douglas is using the Raven's blueprint as his own: great defense, "good enough" offense - and by that I mean an offense focused on a strong running game and an efficient passing game. You don't need a Trevor Lawrence for that to work. Personally I prefer the plan with a great QB and offense, and a "good enough" defense, but whatever provides consistent winning is what I want in the end.

    If they get the #1 I could easily see him trading back with Jax and taking Sewell, and then using another 1st round pick for Wilson who has great accuracy and can make plays like Mahomes. In fact, this might be my own personal ideal.

    In any case, I think all the "armchair GMs" are making the wrong assumptions about Douglas.
     
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  3. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    This is something I didn't really consider - and props to King Koopa for also mentioning this. You're right, a great RT or G or C could be gotten later, so using the #2 on Sewell when we have Becton is overkill. I stand (or sit) corrected.:p
     
  4. CotcheryFan

    CotcheryFan 2018 ROTY Poster Award Winner

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    It's possible that the (hopefully new) CS decides that none of the non Lawrence QB's will be FQB's. In that case, build up the team and bring in a vet who could legitimately compete for the starting QB job. Keep reassessing the position until the FQB is in place. The Chiefs under Reid had Alex Smith start for 5 years before turning the keys to Mahomes. I don't see the fanbase or media giving Douglas 5 years to get his guy, but a year or two wouldn't be too bad if it meant the drafted QB walked into an offense with an established OL and weapons to work with.
     
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  5. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Listen. The thing is - you want to add good football players. Fant is OK but if Sewell is going to be Ryan Ramczyk and you project the other best options on the board to be Christian Ponder or Ted Ginn Jr. something then it's a no brainer. Never take positions just because you need em.

    As far as the footwork is concerned I think you can think of it as using a mouse left handed. Can you do it? Easily. Is it as smooth? Nah and it can get much better over time but it's awkward for a while at first. I am right handed with more power on my right side. It was a pain in the ass to learn to switch my feet on the left side when I played LG.

    I just think the talent is top-heavy at positions of need including quarterback and receiver to the point where we could reasonably take one of the top three receivers or Fields and feel good about it over Sewell.

    There are also going to be a lot of players that didn't play this year or didn't play a full season. It's a big concern I have because working out with a trainer is much different than playing football. Looking at that concern with Sewell, Chase, Parsons, etc.
     
  6. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    Fields and Wilson will be gone in the top 10 if not the top 5, so we'd be looking at Lance, Jones, or Trask. The only one I'd have any interest in is Lance, but I'd be down to take him. Reminds me of Hurts, though my concern is that he only played one game this season.
     
  7. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    It's a weird draft because several of the top prospects did not play at all due to Covid-19 opt-outs.

    Ja'Marr Chase was a clear top 3 pick before he opted out. Now the question is whether or not he has sat on his ass all season or whether he has worked out *hard* and avoided the loss of potential that a sit-out was likely to entail.

    I'd be very wary of the guys who sat out this season. Idle hands are the Devil's work and particularly in young men looking at a future fortune.
     
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  8. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Second star OT is like second star DT - there are some things you really don't want two of unless you have everything else managed.

    Why?

    Because you use up a lot of value when you make that pick and the rest of the roster flattens out when star value is spent opposite an existing star.

    As an example of this - the Cowboys have overloaded on WR and OT via drafts, trades and free agency. They've made supporting Dak Prescott a huge priority. Prescott, prior to the injury, looked great but the Cowboys did not. You have to build your roster ergonomically, where the pieces all support the team effort.

    The Jets on the other hand just kept picking interior DL after interior DL. Safety after safety. That made the interior of the defense very strong, which is not a bad thing if the rest of the team is good. However on the Jets it just meant that the interior of the defense was strong and the team continued to suck.

    The Jets used 1st round picks on interior defense 8 out of 10 picks between 2011 and 2019. Then we ask why the offense blows chunks and our OL, CB's and WR's suck.

    I mean really?
     
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    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    Highly doubt it he looked horrible this weekend. Pass on Field for numerous reasons.
     
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    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    I'm with you if the Jets take Fields you might as well fold up shop and just go away. You blew the best QB in years and now your franchise is less attractive to a ton of coaches. Might as well go back to drafting DT every year
     
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  11. NCJetsfan

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    Have you looked at any of the other OT prospects in the draft? There are 5-8 OTs who could go somewhere in the bottom third of the 1st round and second round. One who really intrigues me is the kid from Minnesota, Daniel Faalele. He is 6'8", 400 lbs.

    Here's what TheDraftNetwork has to say about him:

    TheDraftNetwork has him ranked as the #61 player in the draft. CBS Sports has him ranked as the #52 player in the draft and the #12 OT.

    Add Faalele, Tennessee's Trey Smith (6'6", 330 lbs.), and Alabama's Deonte Brown (6'4, 350 lbs.), and the Jets would have their own version of the Hogs. Put a Najee Harris or a Travonte Williams behind that OL, and we might be the 2nd coming of the Titans. I'm not keen on that type of offense, but it could work with Darnold or perhaps be amazing with Fields/Wilson, and I could change my mind.
     
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  12. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    'you keep making the cap space point with Sewell...Im not following that part
     
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    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    dont draft great players because you might have to pay them. Ok, I dont follow
     
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    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    I dont think JD wants great D and so so offense because he spent his first two picks last year on offense
     
  15. Ralebird

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    Darnold's play over the past three years has established his value going forward. The required payment for the fifth year option far exceeds that value. Now is the time to sign him to a new two year contract that should only cost in total what the option year would cost. Throw in the maximum incentives permitted by the CBA and let him play for pay at the same time improving alternative options. Competition is good. The talk of the Jets trying to ruin his career is nonsense - in all actuality it may have been the result but it was one of incompetence rather than intent. And you know that.
     
  16. Trainer

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    You can't draft Sewell simply because the numbers don't work, and I'm not talking from a team perspective.

    Both Becton and Sewell are left tackles and we're talking about each of them being among the best at their position. The average salary among the top 5 left tackles is $18,900,000, the average among the top 5 right tackles is $14,250,000. Which guy are you going to tell isn't going to get the extra $4+ million a season, and why do you think he'd stay past his rookie contract if he doesn't?
     
  17. ColoradoContrails

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    Even with that the offense wasn't even "so-so".
     
  18. REVISion

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    This and it just doesn't make sense from a talent perspective. This team has too many holes to go OT in back to back drafts.

    I think the move is maybe to act like we want Sewell, get Cinci to swap picks with us for an additional pick and then take Fields or Wilson. I have a feeling Cinci will be pretty desperate to take Sewell on the heels of the Burrow injury. They need to show they are going to protect their guy. We may be able to wring some more compensation out of them than we normally would.
     
  19. Wut?

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    Not a bad plan... I do think we trade down again though after that. Maybe get Wilson anyways.
     
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    Maybe but it's definitely playing with fire at a certain point. QB's go higher than everyone thinks in every draft lately.
     
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