HA U R posting like we are a lock for the overall #1 pick which for sure is not certain & Lawerence could B the next Darnold
Lawrence could B the next Darnold I would suggest to U C him on the field U withhold judgement of him if we get him
Game day is the here and NOW!!! Just win baby! I've seen far too many times the Jets acquire our 'savior' only not to be saved. This is the regular season we waited for all year long. JUST WIN AT ANY COST!!! Worry about next year, well, next year.
I played hockey for 25 years and took a beating during some games, but Rugby actually scares me, I would never play kill the carrier against men with no pads. Rugby is a game for gladiators.
I know people are getting worried about Gase, but as sure as you are posting here, Gase will be gone after this season is over. That is the easy no brainer part. It's also obvious that everyone here would prefer to win a game and still get Lawrence. However, what it looks like now, and I think that's the point of the poll, is either we go 0-16 and get Lawrence or we win a game and don't. What's worse, being one of 6 winless teams in NFL history and getting a generational type of QB prospect or winning a game this year, not getting that prospect, but also staying off this list? Let's look at Browns as an example. They are finally making play-offs this year. Do you think their fans care that they are one of 5 (maybe soon to be 6) teams that at some point in history didn't win a game? I think we all know the answer to this question. Jets have been a laughingstock of NFL for over a decade now, just like Browns were. I don't see too many people laughing at Browns now, particularly if they end up doing well for a prolonged period of time. The way to stop this is to be a contender. If you are, no one cares that you had a winless season (along with other teams) at some point before. Look at NE, who were shit of a franchise pre Brady, and now are looked at as the example of excellence. Not saying Lawrence is Brady, but he is our best opportunity to become a contender. It looks like indeed we do have to endure 0-16 season to get him, and so be it. 4 games left.
To be honest, it's probably not as bad as you imagine. There are injuries but not sure that there is much difference between rugby and football. The hits and tackles are different.
Or look at the Lions. They got their QB, a star WR, made the playoffs for a few years but didn't win anything. And now they are back in the same place basically. Stafford keeps them just about above water but without him they'd be looking at another #1 or 2 pick and the laughing stock tag is still hanging around. They are still a disfunstional mess. I can see the Browns in exactly the same position in a couple of years, without having won anything. I don't think they are a great side despite the record. And the Jets too, even with a Lawrence that proves to be good, might well be the same. In fact, I'd say it was more likely than not. Would the stain of 0-16 disappear and be worth it then? Getting the organisation right is more important than any player as far as I am concerned and no player will make much difference until it is right.
Douglas is making things right. The same thing would not happen with the Jets. Douglas will surround Lawrence with a good team if the Jets are fortunate enough to get Lawrence. Surely 0-16 will prove to the Johnsons that they are too stupid to make decisions, and will step back and allow Douglas to run the team. If they don't wind up running Douglas off with their meddling and stupidity, the Jets will become a winner and good franchise.
Not really. If Jags get a 2nd win id like to avoid 0-16 with a W against the Pats. Sucks that if we win just 1 game we pick 2nd currently
I agree, but, I want to beat the Hawks instead of the Pats. Stick it to Adams and help out our draft positioning.
Why the hell should I care if these players get razzed by their peers for the rest of their lives for being on an 0-16 team? It's not like I had anything to do with it. I fully understand why the players would be mortified to go 0-16, but am mystified by fans being mortified by it. The notion that fans should either take pride or be embarrassed by the performance of teams they root for has always struck me as ridiculous. I watch games for enjoyment. Having a rooting interest makes me enjoy the games more if my team wins, so I'm happier when they win. That's it. The tradeoff of extremely short-term success of a single win versus potential long-term success with the #1 pick is to me a no-brainer. I think Darnold is not the answer, so what it really comes down to is 0-16 plus Lawrence or 1-15 plus Fields. I know nothing about college football, but everyone seems to agree that Lawrence is a far better prospect than is Fields, so without any other information that's how I have to root.
I don't want to go 0-16 but if going 1-15 means missing out on #1 might as well just lose them all. You think browns fans are upset they had an 0-16 season right now? No they're enjoying a winning season and no one cares about the past
They are struggling with head injuries/dementia to ex pros and they are in the process of taking the Rugby Authorities to court over it, was on the news the other day. Down hard tackling at the knee while the guy is running means a lot of knees to the head and other hits etc
I used to be a "Win every game" kind of fan. And honestly still have been disappointed in the moment when the Jets have lost some close games this year like against the Broncos, Patriots, Chargers, and last week against the Raiders. The question of "Does (0-16) bother you? is a little more complicated than Yes or No. Yes, it does bother me that Adam Gase was hired by this team and he has been a complete joke of a coach. It bothers me that Sam Darnold could be a top QB in the NFL and instead has been run into the ground with poor coaching and surrounding him with a weak roster. It bothers me that the team is (0-12) right now and on a path to (0-16). Completely unacceptable. Changes need to be made in January 2021 and I believe they will be. No, the actual losing all 16 games to drop to (0-16) doesn't bother me anymore than going (2-14) or (1-15) or (3-13) or even (4-12). They are all terrible and unacceptable. Winning a meaningless game doesn't matter to me anymore if it costs us Trevor Lawrence. I like Justin Fields too, so winning would not be the end of the world, but getting Lawrence is more of a sure thing to me. The question of "Would (0-16) on the Jets' resume bother me? Not at all. They are just numbers. 2016-2020 has been brutal. Who cares if it is (4-12), (5-11), (7-9) or (0-16)? All are terrible. I feel bad for the players that have to go through this. Most of them don't deserve that. The future really does look bright though, and finishing at (0-16) could help contribute to that.
0-16 bothers me and I hope it doesn't happen. I'm also very concerned Lawrence (if the Jets get him) IS going to end up being on the fairy tale side of the spectrum, perhaps not even due to any fault of his own. After investing so much in Darnold I'm also not ultra-enthusiastic about dumping him unceremoniously in a ditch after giving him no help whatsoever. I'm trying to think of situations in NFL history where a team was an absolute dumpster fire for multiple years, then drafted a #1 QB and it was instant sunshine, rainbows, and unicorns. I guess the Patriots when Bledsoe came along kind of fit that mold (except it took Parcells as well), and there must be a few other situations. But the fact that its not routine and automatic I think ought to give some of us pause. Even if Lawrence is a bullseye hit he's not going to instantly solve every problem.
Not one bit. Go 0-16, get Lawrence, give him the best supporting cast possible, and address CB and Edge. 0-16 will be a distant memory by 2022 when the team is fighting for a playoff spot.
The more I think about this question, it occurs to me that going 4-12, or 5-11, would actually bother me more, because it would mean the team still sucks, and on any given Sunday is more likely to lose than win, but they'd wind up with a mediocre draft pick and be unable to get the true stud they need. Of course, they way they've drafted getting the #1 pick isn't even any guarantee. Although with Douglas I believe that trend will change. And if we're going to be awful, we might as well be winless awful.
The Jets have only twice tried to get a savior, and both times they made the same mistake: The picked USC QBs with a lack of experience, questionable accuracy, and questions about their field vision, leadership, and confidence.
