Doccumented? Revis https://www.nj.com/jets/2014/12/cou...ne_for_his_comments_about_darrelle_revis.html Fitz https://6abc.com/sports/woody-johnson-wants-ryan-fitzpatrick-back-as-jets-qb/1255934/ Is that not sticking your oar in? Mac got the shit for the contract for both players but in all honesty how hard was Woody negotiating when he openly stated he wanted both back at the Jets, this weakens your own position for a start. I also could be reading you wrong in what you meant lol easy to do, been waste deep in my aquarium most of the morning, wish I hadn't decided to do a full re-scape right about now and I broke a fucking LED light so there's £70 down the pan, bollocks.
I would have taken Barkley I think I was the only one lol not that he would have dropped to 6 either tbh.
Interesting article, but it still left unanswered the question, "Why?". Why did Pace fall in love with Trubisky? Actually, it more like obsession than mere love. And Pace had to know that others didn't share his obsession at some deeper level because he kept everyone - everyone - else in the dark. As much as I've crucified Maccagnan for passing over Mahomes and Watson, what Pace did was even worse. He purposely excluded anyone who might have had more knowledge than he did about QBs in order to make sure he didn't hear any dissenting voices. That he's still employed by the Bears only testifies to the fact that their ownership is as clueless as the Jets. But I think this article (and the preceding ones) are all part of a deliberate campaign to bring about the firing of Pace, and to pump up the urgency for the Bears to do whatever it takes to get a new FQB. I expect that we'll hear about them wanting to trade up to #1 or #2 in that regard. Frankly, like so much of "journalism" these days, while this article purports to ask and answer the question "Why did Pace fall in love with Trubisky?", it's true agenda is to get Pace fired and to lead a campaign to get a new QB. I wish journalists actually stuck to delivering facts.
Well, both articles do say that the complete staff (key members) went to Pro Days and met with prospective QB's. But it was clear that the decision to definitively take a QB and that it be Trubiskey was not known to HC John Fox and presumably any other coach. It does go into a few reasons why he locked into Trubiskey: leadership.....ability to see the field......poise under pressure. I don't know how he got all that just from 13 games. BTW, I always wondered.....if you have a private/secret workout with a college prospect, do you swear him to secrecy ? Pace worked out Trubiskey...if Trubiskey meets with another team and they ask him "Have you done any private workouts for any teams/GM's/coaches ?" -- what does he say ? I actually think the articles could be somewhat sympathetic to Pace...well, the 1st one could. This 2nd one is more damning in how they basically blew off Watson. What's more, if Fox and Ragone both wanted Watson....how does that make Pace look now, especially since those guys are gone ? Also, Dowell Logaines (our OC) was still there from when Gase worked in Chicago. That's why I am so obsessed with getting the #1 pick. I KNOW Trevor Lawrence will be a success...I just don't know how big of one he will be. As for Fields, I THINK he will be a good NFL QB...but I am not 100% sure. I know he's much better than Haskins, but when you saw Haskins with OS did you think he'd be the bust he has been to date ? To have the Jets stink in a year when they could get the #1 overall pick and it's a no-brainer....man, it's so much easier than analyzing 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 QB's and making the right decision.
It'll forever perplex me as to why Watson wasn't the consensus #1 pick the year he came out. Super successful thrower AND runner. It's almost as if his running ability hurt him. His arm talent is unbelievable and escapability is second maybe only to Wilson. He's a one man offense. He ran in college because he was good at it, not because it defined him and it's not like he wasn't accurate or didn't throw the ball down the field. It never made sense to me.
He threw a bunch of interceptions....he did have the "it" factor that Dabo Sweeney talked about ("Michael Jordan" reference) but he didn't have the prototypical QB build and frame. There were clearly doubts about his ability to quickly process information and go through his reads. That is the Big Question with all these college QB's because the best ones usually play on loaded teams with lots of NFL talent....and it's tough to forecast how they will throw when they don't have WR's and TEs and an OL that is light-years better than the competition.
Clemson became the Alabama/Ohio State level juggernaut in part because of Deshaun Watson. They were not on that level as far as conference dominance and recruitment until they went to back to back CFP championships and finally beat Alabama in the second one. He turnovers were a bit high I guess. But he still almost tripled the amount of passing touchdowns to interceptions and added 26 on the ground. The question marks about processing information were founded on the basis that he was only a running quarterback. And ended up being a bunch of nonsense and a poor assessment.
I thought Watson was the SAFE pick among the 3 in 2017. I thought he probably had the lowest ceiling -- but his ceiling so far has been pretty high. It's not easy to forecast how even a dominant QB in college will do in the pros. The EASISTE judgement might be a great college QB with no surrounding talent (sort of like Kyler Murray) who single-handedly takes a team to the top. Like a John Elway or Andrew Luck. But I want to see a QB do that in the ACC and/or SEC or even Big 10 since I think the talent out West is much lower (Justin Herbert notwithstanding).
"Candid remarks," as noted in the Revis piece, do not at all represent business negotiations, and particularly none that rise to the level of overruling the football people in the decision making process. It's really nothing more than idle chatter. Sure, he'd like to have had both guys back but that is a fantastic leap to presume he's actively involved in ordering such things at any expense. (Do you renovate your aquarium from within?)
When he is actively tapping up a player, breaking league rules and mentioning contracts in a press conference then it is safe to assume he is having a word with the GM about who he wants signed at the franchise. That is not staying quiet in the background as a non football person. As for the aquarium, it is a 26inch Cube and when it is rescapimg time it is fairly deep from top to bottom and pretty much leaning in head first reaching for all my little arms are worth. https://m.imgur.com/cJGjFJF
It is absolutely safe to assume he discusses these things with management but to equate that to his making decisions overruling that of the football professionals is taking the assumptions too far in my book. That is something that has never been claimed to the best of my knowledge. Keep your snorkel clear.
NCJ, did you see the new Chicago Tribune piece (my post #97) which goes into more depth on the Trubiskey vs. Watson choice among the Bears higher-ups ?
