Jets fire Gregg Williams

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  1. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    Except the 58% completion rate is for all his passes; the frequent complaint that even that number is bolstered by the dinking and dunking must also be considered when considering that he only needed six yards to get the first down which would have kept the Raiders from ever touching the ball again. The bottom line is that not only did the Jets not attempt a pass, the three runs were uninspired.

    You say the Raiders were able to move the ball all day, so how does that support the decision to run three times?
     
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    And taking that sack would have also taken those "43 seconds" off the clock before the punt. You'd think an "offensive genius" would have been on top of that.
     
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    Look, I'm not arguing that the conventional wisdom in most situations would be to run it three times. What I'm saying though is that there are exceptions, and this was one. Carr had been moving the ball, especially with passes to his TE who had 200 yards alone. And the Jets DBs were inexperienced and none are considered "shut down", so giving them the ball back, even with no timeouts was a big risk, and in fact, it cost them the game. Further, there was a decent chance that Darnold could complete a pass for 6 yards, or worst case, take a sack and run time off the clock. Gase did not need to default to the plain vanilla, very predictable running plays he used.

    Gase should've earned as much blame for not getting the 1st down to clinch the game as Williams did for taking a bad risk. And Gase should get even MORE blame for not calling a T.O before that last play to make sure everyone was on the same page. The fact he's escaping all that blame is ridiculous.
     
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    It's some other guy, I'm not on Reddit.
     
  5. Jonathan_Vilma

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    It means you make it much harder to move the ball by eliminating half the clock they'll have to work with and essentially the entire middle of the field.

    I don't know if you guys don't watch a lot of other NFL football or something. But rarely do teams throw in that situation. And if they do, they throw a quick screen. The only pass down the field I've seen so far in that situation was Mahomes vs. The Buccaneers when he threw to Kelce or Tyreek I believe.

    When you move the ball with your tightend (especially Waller beating us like a drum on slants and ins) you're throwing the ball over the middle of the field.

    The way it was played was correct and should be without blame from the clock burning standpoint.

    If we threw it, I wouldn't have been upset. You can reasonably make the argument that we should be aggressive given our record and what not. But the way we played it wasn't incorrect.

    The shakiness of the quarterback plays into it as well. But the point remains. +40-43 seconds is massssssive.
     
  6. Ralebird

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    Why would you mention a "pass down the field?" Darnold's entire career has been based on short passes - he only needed six yards! I might have even gone to a pass on second down while the defense was looking to stop a run.- doing what is rarely done is what adds to a success rate; why go out of the way to be predictable? Was there a better time in the entire season for a play action pass?

    If you're looking at the clock burning standpoint, you might be correct but offense is built on getting first downs. The best way to burn the clock would have been a first down; it wouldn't minimize the time available to the Raiders, it would have eliminated it. There is no 43 seconds to argue about if the quarterback was trained well enough to scramble or take the sack rather than unload anything other than the "sure thing" pass.
     
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  7. Jonathan_Vilma

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    The offense is one of the worst in football. It's not built to get first downs. It doesn't move the ball at all. The way you're talking about it is like we have some lethal short passing attack like Pittsburgh or something.

    All he does is throw the ball short on 3rd and 12. If it were as easy as you intimated then more teams would do it. And there's a reason they don't.

    You can lose games being overaggressive too. Steelers/Washington is a good example. They went for it on 4th and goal from the one and got stopped early in the game, in a game where points were going to be at a premium. At the end of the game (tie ball game), Pittsburgh went for it on 4th and 1. Backup FG kicker and all, but still. At that point in the game they would've been up 20-17 if they kicked the earlier field goal.
     
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    Well, the only thing we're looking at here is how the Jets lost this one and no one was calling for a field goal.

    The Jets lost because Gase did not set them up to get a first down and because he didn't even deem it important to call a timeout to make sure the defense was adequately prepared to stop the bomb.
     
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    He should've called a timeout and he should have enough involvement with the defense so he can say hey let's not all out blitz here when he calls that timeout. It shouldn't be an eggshell walking game with your defensive coordinator. But running the ball three times is not incorrect.
     
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    Did he have to make the three crappy runs look so effortless?
     
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    i heard a report that the Jets did not hire matt rhule, a longtime jet fan, because christopher told all the guys who interviewed that they had to accept williams as the DC.

    incompetant ownership. let the gm hire the HC, the HC hires the assistants. chain of command, clear line of accountability for results.
     
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    you are exactly right, and we can only hope that they all get canned.

    let douglas hire the next HC.
     
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    I suppose if there was any thought given to that defense, it might have been that a protection breakdown at that point basically ends the game. Carr has to read the blitz perfectly, throw hot, and yet hit a big play down the field which is usually not what a hot read gives you.

    But I'm with you in that I don't think much thought was given to that play. It was just Gregg being Gregg with the macho bravado. Outsmarted himself. Sigh...
     
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    The new DC looked great today

    lol

    tank in effect !
     
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    Lol! Exactly ... guess Williams wasn’t the main problem after all ‍♂️
     
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    Gase will find a way to blame GW. Chris Johnson will find a way to keep Gase.
     
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    Gase is a conman, the fact that Manning believes he is a great offensive mind speaks of his ability to manipulate others.
     
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    and as that great philosopher PT Barnum once said: " There's a sucker born every minute.."
     
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    It's amazing that Christopher Johnson bought into what Peyton said after he balked at the opportunity to play for the franchise 25 years ago. And it doesn't matter if Parcells was at fault for that.

    I wonder how many times the Johnson's will get duped by guys trying to get their friends and former colleagues jobs despite the fact that they are unqualified losers.

    It's happened twice in five years. Third time's the charm this off-season?
     
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