From what I've been reading, Joe Burrow has a long road to recovery ahead of him. ACL,MCL & Structural issues. Hope there isn't any nerve damage. Sucks for him and the organization, but that's part of this violent game.
They're not that easy to find at all. But the point isn't to marry yourself to one just because you drafted him high and you have the opportunity to take another. I know that's not necessarily what you're saying though as a note. But I don't think it's some perfect situation that develops a quarterback nor is it always a quarterback that forces growth. It can be. But Darnold's deficiencies beyond coaching.
Burrow has a torn ACL, a torn MCL, and structural damage to the knee joint. He may miss all of next season depending on what they discover in surgery. You claiming he is going to be fine means next to nothing. However, my point wasn't that QBs get hurt. It was that rebuilding teams that are not ready for a FQB should not be drafting them until they are ready for one. If we can turn the top pick into 4 first rounders than we have a real rebuild with young talent. You don't throw that away for one draft pick that your not ready to help succeed.
Yes to all that you just said.. OTOH Tell me Iam wrong but Lawrence seems a bit more solid Beast than than poor Burrow
Nonsense. That's a loser's mentality. Scared of success. Of course any player can get hurt any time, but if you're smart in how you utilize them and do all you can to protect them, the chances of their getting injured are lessened, but injuries can still happen. Injuries are part of the game, but you want to try to protect your QB. Cincinnati hasn't built a quality OL and IMO Burrow has been running too much. I don't know if they were designed runs, if he called his own number, or if plays broke down and he was trying to make something out of nothing. He was lucky he wasn't hurt when trying to score. He too a big hit there and fumbled. Cincy had done a pretty good job in terms of drafting skill position players in the three previous drafts, adding starting RB Joe Mixon, their starting TE in Drew Sample, WRs John Ross and Auden Tate, and then took Tee Higgins in the 2nd round after taking Burrow. Their OL is another story however. They invested some draft picks in the OL, but evidently not enough or didn't take the right OL as their OL isn't very good. Burrow has been taking a pounding. In the 4 drafts from 2017 - 2020, they drafted backup C Billy Price in the 1st round (2018), C J.J. Dielman in the 5th round (2017), OG Rod Taylor in the 7th round, OT Jonah Williams in the 1st round (2019), OG Michael Jordan in the 4th round (2019), and OT Hakeen Adeniji in the 6th round. Jonah Williams is their starting LT and Adeniji is his backup. Trey Hopkins is their starting C. Price is the backup. Jordan is the starting LG. After taking Burrow and Higgins, they took 3 LBs and a DE rather than additional OL. In the 4 drafts from 2017 - 2020, their drafting has been fairly balanced (20 of 39 picks used on offense). They must not have done much in FA to help the OL, either. If Douglas signs Joe Thuney or another quality starting OG, signs one of Allen Robinson, Chris Godwin, and Kenny Golladay, re-signs Perriman, then drafts another OG, a RT and a TE, Lawrence should be in pretty good shape to succeed as long as Gase isn't the HC and he drafts as well as he did this year. The OL should be better with hopefully a full offseason of mini-camps, OTAs, TC and preseason. With a QB in Lawrence who can read Ds, who is a better decision maker, and who can get the ball out quicker, that should lessen some of the issues with the OL as well. 4 first rounders do NOT equal a generational QB.
IMO Darnold's deficiencies might be corrected with the right coaching, but that won't happen here on the Jets unless they fire Gase and hire the right HC and CS.
I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make but the Bengals blow dude. They're probably going to have back to back two win seasons. John Ross is a healthy scratch every week, Auden Tate has 14 catches this year and their offensive line is probably the worst in football.
Before we through the baby out with the bath water, keep in mind that during the last 8 games of the 2019 season, Sam Darnold was the top rated QB in the entire NFL.
Yeah and if you take a larger sample size - say, his entire career - he rates as either the worst or 2nd worst QB in the NFL during that time. We gonna cherry pick specific stretches to make ourselves feel better or are we more interested in accurately grading Sam based on ALL of the evidence we have?
How can that be true? I literally looked up one player - Patrick Mahomes and over the last 8 games of 2019 he had a passer rating that was 6 points higher. So I dove deeper. Russell Wilson was 7 points higher, Carr 5 points, Kirk Cousins 9 points higher. Daniel Jones - 0.3 better. Carson Wentz slightly higher. All over the final 8 games. Did you just make that up and pray that it stuck?
Of course neither is the true picture, but those 8 games show that he has (had) the potential to be a FQB. No, not saying he's better than Burrow, or Herbert, but he's not trash either. I still believe he's better than anyone the Jets have had at QB since Pennington...before Gase and the shitty talent took its toll. EDIT: Noting that he wasn't the highest rated QB over those 8 games, but still was damn good.
8 games, half a full season, is NOT cherry picking a play here or there. Sam powered the Jets to a 6-2 record, which if a full season would have been 12-4. Not bad. And all this came AFTER he could have lost the team. Now, we all know the 2nd half of 2019 was the best for the Jets in terms of competition and travel. But Sam was playing with literally half his starters out on IR, more than any other team. And the players he still had kind of sucked, especially up front. So this tells me when Sam plays against teams that are roughly similarly to his team in terms of health and talent, he wins the game (6-2). Now give him a team with top talent, and he'd compete against top talent very well.
Are you really willing to stand by this claim based on the performance of Jeremy Bates and Adam Gase?
Ya I guess I was wrong. Teams that draft a FQB before they are ready for them are winners. Joe Barrow is the best QB prospect I've seen since Andrew Luck - maybe even better than Luck. No doubt this guy is now a proven all star in the NFL. Yet he led the Bengals to 2-7-1. I suppose I'm just scared of success. Lets throw away a gold mine of talent to draft JL so we can go 5-11 next season. Then maybe get up to 8-8. Then maybe have one season where we make a playoff run before JL asks for a contract that consumes half of our cap - assuming we can keep him healthy. Welcome to the future of rebuilding the wrong way.
I'm with you, on this, ouchy. Out of all Super Bowl history, a grand total of 4 QBs drafted #1 overall have won at least one Super Bowl with the team that drafted them. Namath, Bradshaw, Aikman, and P. Manning. Drafting a QB #1 before the table is set with solid coaching and a solid O-line is like serving the worlds' most delicious imaginable soup before there's a bowl on the table-- you're just going to make a godawful mess and waste everyone's time and effort.
I think you had to cheery pick a certain spell in that season if I remember correctly, he had a really good spell of 5/6 games then a blip and then another good game. It was what gave us hope See that dawn over there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's another false one my friend.
Both Goff and Wentz (Wentz in theory...) got to Super Bowls before the teams that traded away the pick used to take them. Those are the most recent examples. The Jets traded away the pick to get Peyton Manning and he went to the SB. There's also only been what? 52 SB winners? 12 multi Super Bowl winners? I mean it's cherry picking to say only 4 #1 overall picks have won. 4/29 quarterbacks have won SBs. Those four #1 picks you eluded to account for 10/52 SB wins. 24 QBs have been selected #1 overall by my count.
