Douglas ain't doing shit except stockpiling picks like Idzik did. His only draft pick accomplishing anything is Becton, who can't stay on the field.
Teams that were bad and got a rookie franchise QB on the #1 tend to be bad the next season. It's just the way things work. Peyton Manning: 3-13 to get him and then 3-13 with him. Troy Aikman: 3-13 to get him and then 1-15 with him. Matthew Stafford: 0-16 to get him and then 2-14 with him. Kyle Fuller: 3-13 to get him and then 5-10-1 with him. Baker Mayfield: 0-16 to get him and then 7-8-1 with him. A team bad enough to tank out for the #1 pick generally is still bad to terrible the following season because it is hard to go 3-13 or less in the NFL and the teams that do that do not bounce back right away. Just did a quick check of #1 drafted QB's since the merger and only one team that picked a QB on the #1 has finished above .500 the following season. That was the Colts, in a 1-yr tank as they moved from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck. The Colts missed the playoffs one time in a 13 year run and they got Luck that year.
I hear you, but I have a feeling this (0-9) Jets team is more in line with the 1996 (1-15) Jets. I see a lot of talent and terrible coaching. Change that, use your cap space and draft picks properly, get CJ Mosley back, and they can instantly compete for a playoff spot. From (1-15) to (9-7) to (12-4) and the AFC Championship Game in 2 years. The question about how many years will JD get? will be irrelevant once Adam Gase is fired, they get a new Head Coach, sign some free agents, have a successful 2021 draft class and make a playoff push in 2021. Joe Douglas is here for the long haul.
Dude, your judgment has definitely become clouded. Mann has been doing very well, Mims is improving now that he's healthy and can play, and if they'd throw him the ball in the 2nd half, he'd be doing even better. Davis had a good game on Monday night, and he's going to be a good player for the Jets. Huff was a UDFA and he has made some contributions.
Fair, Mims looks pretty good when he's on the field. For all the Hall of Fame punter memes, Mann is kind of meh. Davis has been really bad most of the season, and Huff is a JAG. To be clear, I'm not saying Douglas is a bad GM like Idzik and Mac were; it's too soon to know one way or the other. But if a proven winner wants to come here and take control, we need to go for the guy who we know is a winner, not a guy who may become a winner if we're lucky.
I don’t see that happening....this will be his third year on the job technically but it will only be his second draft and free agency period. So I don’t think he’s going anywhere with a six year deal, nor would I recommend that anyway. He has to have some time. So yes, this team is not better than last year, but we also all knew that even if it were better, there was a huge possibility that the record was going to be worse. We had one of the easiest schedules in the league last year, and one of the hardest this year, in terms of opponents, travel, etc. but if you look at his actions, it’s pretty clear this was his plan all along. Get a six year deal for safety, then tear this shit down to the bare studs....you can tell he didn’t think much of these free agents either because they are all on one year deals other than a couple, and even those we can get out of without too much penalty. He knew we would not be competitive, and he didn’t want to sign any real free agents anyway....he could have pursued names like Conklin, Clowney, could have spent money to keep Adams and Robby.... he didn’t he burned it all down, and if you’re gonna suck, then it helps to suck the worst, and build it from scratch with a lot of draf5 picks, a lot of cap space, and hopefully a generational QB at the top of the draft.
How long does JD get? Do you mean before the fans turn on him or he gets fired? If it's the first, then about 3 days. The O/U on how long b4 Jets fan base turns on a new GM/HC is 2 days.
I haven’t really commented here yet but after an opportunity to see some of his picks in action, I am hyped for Douglas to continue drafting as the Jets GM. Every pick of his with significant reps at this point have looked very good to highly promising. Love it. We have barely seen these guys and I can already say we haven’t had a draft class this good in over 10 years.
This team has limited talent at every level of the offense and defense. We are not winning more than a few games next year, if any, unless the entire roster is redone and we drop big money. There is not a lot of talent on this team at all.
Davis had 0 defensive snaps in game 1 He played 13 snaps in game 2 Was out weeks 3 and 4 with a groin injury. Only played 24 snaps in week 5 Did not play in week 6 Played very well in Games 8 and 9 with 66 and 81 defensive snaps. And yes he played well against the Chiefs aside from a couple plays, and the Chiefs make every teams secondary look foolish at times. So, I am not sure where the really bad most of the season comes from. What exactly are you expecting from A rookie in a season with no preseason games and a half ass training camp?
Excellent points and post. Even though I can understand how fans have become so jaded and negative because of the cluelessness of the Johnsons, Mac and now Gase. It's still mind boggling to me how posters can be so negative about Douglas and even be talking about firing him or asking what good has he done. That's just absurd. Posters making those kinds of comments really should step back from the Jets and posting awhile, because they've lost perspective and can't even see when we have someone good or something good happening. Again, I understand how rare that is for the Jets lately, but it's there for any knowledgeable football fan to see if their negativity isn't blinding them. They've lost perspective, patience and understanding that no one is perfect. No one is going to come in and do everything right, quickly, and/or be a miracle worker. We didn't get into this hole overnight, and we're not getting out overnight.
I voted 3 despite being extremely unhappy w the offensive weapons & last offseason in general. Im underwhelmed.But the draft picks seem to be coming around & showing promise. At the very least he seems to know college talent. More importantly,A GM needs 4-5 yrs to make a true impact good or bad & can have longer organizational shelf lives than HC’s.
This. Right here. This is the fallacy of the tank. You end up with the one player you want, in the middle of a terrible team with a bad culture and a coach on the hot seat - or, a new first time coach. Is that player really set up for success? Why not play well and trade up? The Chiefs went 12-4, traded the 27th pick plus a 1 and 3 for the 10th pick, and drafted Patrick Mahomes. He sat one year (10-6), then stepped on the field with a good team, an established coach, the same system, continuity, and a winning culture. Seems to have worked out pretty well for them.
The reason not to trade up is that the #1 and the #2 next year likely will not be available at any price and we can't afford to trade up anyway. The thing to remember is that the reason teams that get the #1 do poorly the following year is that very few rookie QB's are ready to go right off the bat and even fewer teams that pick in the top 3 have the players ready to support them anyway. The Jets best chance to beat the odds next year is to naturally select Lawrence or maybe Fields and also use all their other picks to build the team for the year. Trading a couple of #1's to move up and take Lawrence (and that's what it would take even assuming he was available in a trade, which he won't be) is just going to put Lawrence in Darnold's position from 2018. Better prospect but likely crippled by the price to move up and take him. I'm 100% on the lose enough games to pick #1 train for next year. Even if the Jets won out this year and wound up 7-9 we'd all be disgusted by the season and we'd be really disgusted when Gase was retained for 2021 after two consecutive 7-9 seasons.
I don't know that's true. If the Bengals or the Giants have the #2 pick, a QB will be available to trade. Plus don't forget, we already have a slam-dunk tanking-targeted QB on our roster today. Who's to say that won't happen again? The draft is the biggest crapshoot. Imagine the odds of rebuilding a team in a single draft. I can only remember that happening once in the last ten years (Seattle). And of course, that means you were able to hit on picks 33. 67, etc. Those players will be available to you no matter what your record. I hate tanking. I just think it's too early to suck. (Although even I might be swayed if we're 0-14 in this annus mirabilis). Even Cleveland has turned it around, but their#1 overall pick QB isn't necessarily the main reason.
To begin with, I don't think the Jets are tanking. Secondly, trading up is part of why we're in this mess now. Tanny did it all too often, and never offset it by trading down. The LAST thing this team can afford to do is trade up. That's what fans want to do. It's not what good GMs do very often. Your logic is flawed imo. What worked for the Chiefs won't work for the Jets because the Chiefs already had a good team and a great HC. The Jets have neither of those things. One has to get a deep, strong, talented team first before one can afford to trade up. The Chiefs weren't trading up from the bottom of the round, so it didn't cost them very much to trade up. The Chiefs also got very lucky that none of the teams before them took Mahomes and Watson. Where would they be if the Jets had taken Mahomes? One can't always trade up, especially for a QB. That can work, but generally, is too risky a way to try to build a team. One needs to take the QB when one gets the opportunity. One can then build around the QB. It is also not guaranteed that the team will be bad a QB's rookie season. In the case of Lawrence and Darnold, it would be difficult for Lawrence to play as poorly as Darnold has. Add a quality OG and WR in FA, a RB, TE and another WR and OG in the draft, and the Jets could start improving rapidly on offense. Lawrence or Fields hopefully won't have a HC on the hot seat. Hopefully, the Jets will have a new HC. If Gase is still the HC, it won't matter who we draft, this team isn't going to win. If the new HC is a quality HC and we have a solid OC and QB Coach, and an offensive scheme built around the talents of the QB, he should be set up for success. Lawrence and maybe Fields too are better prospects than Sam ever was. If they fail in a situation with a good HC and OC, a scheme built around them, and talent at the skill positions, then they were gonna fail anyway.
If Douglas nabs a real head coach for once, and gets some assistance in deciding whom to sign in free agency, as his free agent signings were super trash last year, I’d give him another 4 years to prove that his 5-year plan is working If jets are winning 7-9 games in Year 4 and 10+ games in Year 5... with a FQB and long-term coach locked up, I’d sign JD to a very rewarding 5 year extension This is the Jets and the expectation is failure If JD turns this sorry ass franchise around, he better get seriously paid
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-...ffseason-plan-d-is-for-defense-and-demolition If this happens & they decide to ignore the offense again it WILL destroy Lawrence & willl set this franchise back 10 yrs. They know they cant draft offense or create any infrastructure.So theyve given up.Just pretend offense doesnt even exist.Worse send the message that scoring isnt a priority & that the offensive product we’ve seen since 2016 is perfectly acceptable.
Well the masses have already turned on him, after next season they'll be flying banners blowing up social media, making shirts, then wonder why any respectable players or coaches don't want to come here, this fanbase and organization is so toxic.
