I have to disagree with you, with the cap reduction slated for 2021, teams will be releasing upper tier players, JD has space & picks to turn this mess around quickly....got to get #1 pick for Trevor!!
Have to be able to field a team. Look at how many spots we will need to fill & do the math. Would love to take advantage of all those guys being released but it just doesnt seem realistic. Best chance to get better this coming season is a new HC & the draft.
He will be a free agent at the end of the season and the Steelers will have him for 8 games, nobody will have paid a 4th for him on that basis, even though he is a good solid player and a one that doesn't cause a scene when not playing.
Upper tier players almost never hit the open market. There will probably be lots of tier 2 players available.
I feel like you are smart enough to know these trades are apples to oranges. -Williamson: Later career run specialist LB coming off major injury. VS. -Corbett: 33rd pick (nearly 1st Round) less than 1.5 years into his career, young reclamation project with talent. Also a future pick a year and a half out from the trade. -Peters: Mid 20’s former DROY 1st round Pick picked up for cheap after another bad trade by LAR -Vedvick: A terrible trade that should be universally panned. -Avery: Another young player with upside. 4.5 sacks as a rookie. Like Corbett, less than a year and a half into his career, and traded in 2019 for a future pick in 2021 that hasn’t even been used yet. -Jones: A future pick for a young player with upside. -Vannett: Still on rookie deal etc. The running theme here are young players with upside. No team is going to think they can unlock the secret upside of Avery Williamson.
Interesting theory but here's my take: Douglas: Adam, we're going to to call this season a fail and dump some salaries Gase: Ok, but how do I get this team back on the right track if you're getting rid of my starters? Douglas: No problem, you pick the players we should unload. Don't worry about the won-loss record. I got your back. CJ likes you also. Gase: Ok lets go with this and work on the 2021 strategy.
As i heard on a podcast recently. You can tell who the studs are in teams.But theres not much of a difference from player 25-90 on a NFL roster. Thats where you find the right scheme and good coaching brings these players levels up. Ok, we want to see what we have. Gase had the roster to win 5/6 games with good coaching and development. Gase made this team 0-8. GMs should plan for 3-5 years always, whilst looking at this year and coaches aim to win the next game. Sent from my SM-G610Y using Tapatalk
If you mean by, he coached miserably enough to screw this team, yes it's partly on him. But it was JD that helped make his bed by all the player/draft moves. I can't help but think that they both agree that it's a mutual flop. There have been few if any improvements this year in any position except Q and Becton. Sorry but I don't see how JD can just decide on his own to scrap the players and leave Gase hanging. I'm still waiting for someone to give me an example as to what team(s) in the past have pulled this maneuver? In all my years following football , dating back to the AFL/NFL, I've never seen where a team sells off it's players during the season and keeps their HC?
The pick means next to nothing. This is simply JD trying to win the tanking title. Good for AW though. I wish him the best.
He can turn that 5th into a 6 & 7 down the road, tons of options, I actually have some faith in JD...
I;m starting to think a GM who purposely tanks his first season isn't a very talented GM. Time will tell.
You have no way of knowing that if that deal was a possibility JD would have taken it. he’s not proven to be a bad negotiator so far ... look no further than our old friend Terry Bradway (yet another former Jets GM that can make a great claim to be the worst GM in all of football...man why do we have SO many GMs on that list??) to see what a terrible negotiator looks like if he could’ve gotten that deal he would have taken it...maybe Pitt was offering a straight up 7th, or maybe a conditional 6th, and so JD chose to swap and get the 5th. Who knows? but you have no basis at all to say he could’ve gotten just a pick. This is an average player on an expiring contract...not worth much, certainly to a well run team like Pitt...
yes he is...his is his last year under contract Pitt traded a low 5th for a high 7th to rent Williamson for 8 games
They're still speculative trades of players with mostly very little NFL production. Williamson isn't 35. He's 28. And I have to believe there's a potential spot for him in Pittsburgh if he plays well enough. The argument works the other way - Williamson is a proven NFL starter (although somewhat limited) who could be on his way to returning to form after working back into NFL games and getting his feet under him. We'll see. I don't believe it was a bad trade. I just felt like they could've saved that pick. Not that it really matters in the long run. I also don't understand why you think a team only needs 9 picks. We have like 20 guys under contract for next week. We have tons of holes and even more holes on the depth side, with a lot of free agents by way of the one year contract. This team needs as many picks as it can get.
Seriously? Gase or any competent HC should have been able to win 3-5 games with this team, or at least been competitive. Your blaming Douglas is ridiculous!!! He cannot help that Mosley opted out or that many of his rookies got hurt and have missed much of the season, or that Sam has regressed under Gase. It's the HC's and CS's responsibility to develop and get the most out of players, not the GM's. That goes on Gase and his CS, NOT Douglas. Douglas wasn't going to mortgage the future to try to save this season. That would have been totally stupid, and cutting his nose off to spite his face. Gase is still here because of the Johnsons. That's out of Douglas' hands as far as we know. Douglas is here for the long haul. He's doing what is right, even if the Johnsons aren't.
You have just explained why this trade makes sense. We have exactly the same number of guys under contract with or without this trade for next year. But now we have pick that's two round better, which could either be used for a better player than the one we had in 7th round if we like someone, or potentially to trade down and get an extra pick, which JD has done multiple times already. All we are losing is we are a little bit worse without him this year, which is already down the drain anyway, where being worse is actually better than winning an extra game and missing out on Lawrence/Fields. Decent trade all around.
For an previously injured LB with limited range to begin with, 28 is basically over 30. I have 37 players under contract for 2021, so the Jets will for sure sign a few free agents, call it 6 or so (could be a couple more) who could contribute in various ways. If the Jets drafted 9 players, that would leave only 2-3 spots for UDFAs to make the team, pretty normal. I’m also fine with using a few more picks than 9, but generally if they are better than 6th rounders. If you have 6 picks in the first 5 rounds but then 5 picks in 6-7, that’s a waste to me. Use them as trade ammo to target players while maintaining 9 or so selections.
Not sure what everyone is complaining about he's a soon to be 30 year old MLB coming off a season ending ACL injury on an 0-8 team. And for everyone claiming that JD and our Jets received "absolutely nothing" please understand that Avery Williamson was nothing more than a 5th round draft pick within his own right when he came into the NFL (5th rounder). La'Roi Glover (DT). 1996. Zach Thomas (MLB). 1996. Joe Horn (WR). 1996. Rodney Harrison (S). 1994. Mark Brunell (QB). 1993. Bryan Cox (LB). 1991. Cris Dishman (CB). 1988. Hardy Nickerson (LB). 1987. Herschel Walker (RB). 1985. Kevin Greene (OLB). 1985. Lester Hayes (CB). 1977. Mike Webster (Center). 1974. Etc etc and the list truly goes on and on and on. And dating back to just 2000 there have been a lot of awesome 5th round talents drafted such as... Richard Sherman (FS). Kam Chancellor (SS). Robert Mathis (DE).. Kyle Williams (DT). Josh Norman (CB). Reshad Jones (S). Trent Cole (DE/OLB). Jordan Howard (RB). Stefon Diggs (WR). Tyreek Hill (WR). George Kittle (TE). Etc etc. Too many to count and list actually... Every draft is a crap shoot and every round is either hit or miss but to act like JD can't use this Williamson pick and find a true steal of an impact player come the 5th round is absolutely horse crap for those claiming we potentially received nothing in return, I'm not buying it. Both Bryce Hall and Blake Cashman are 5th round picks and many of Jet fans are high on these kids potential wise and being born in 1985 my first "favorite Jet" as a kid was RB Adrian Murrell who was drafted 5th round. Avery Williamson definitely wasn't going to be apart of our future alongside of Trevor Lawrence but maybe, just maybe this future 5th rounder for Avery Williamson can become another building block within the form of a 5th round impact player.
I get why you feel this way. The 2019 and 2020 Jets were over-marketed and so what is transpiring this year looks like a total failure. That said, this was a very bad team that Douglas inherited from a completely inept guy before him. The HC obviously is overmatched and the coaching staff probably needs to be rebuilt from scratch also. What Douglas is doing is the rational approach to rebuilding a bad team from top to bottom. The first part of that process inevitably involves getting rid of any declining vets, resolving bad contracts that tie the team down and showing anybody who does not want to be here the door. The second part of the process involves getting lots of new faces, primarily via the draft, onto the roster to compete for jobs. The third part, when we get there, will involve fine-tuning the roster to fill gaps and make everybody else better. We're nearing the end of the first part of the process. Many vets have been shown the door, including *all* of a bad offensive line that Douglas inherited. We've started the second part of the process, primarily by trading down in the draft, trading people who did not want to be here and vets who did not figure in the rebuild process for picks. The third part is a year down the road, meaning 2022 season, although Douglas had to do a rebuild on the OL fast and cheap just to keep the QB upright while he was being evaluated. There will be more OL fills is my guess as Douglas yanks the guys who were there just to fill a slot this season. You can't get multiple Bectons in one season in the draft. Well, the 2020 Jets couldn't, the 2021 and 2022 teams have more high picks to work with. There isn't enough analytical work done on the NFL for public consumption. Unlike major league baseball there aren't dozens of authors out there competing with the teams to publish (and not publish) the important factors in building a winning team. We hear a lot about things like the Patriot Way (managing and manipulating the cap for stability, acquiring extra draft picks, trading vets in their prime to open space for hard competition, using professional fear of being cut to maximum advantage) without seeing the math behind the strategy. So many of the good teams from year to year are set at QB that we begin to think that is the only successful strategy, when in fact it is the decisions made around that asset that really matter. The Steelers are great again because they kept drafting well after they made the decisions not to commit to LeVeon Bell and Antonio Brown. The Ravens are great again because they let go of the guy they mistakenly committed to after their 2012 SB win and drafted a low cost replacement who turned out to be really good. The Patriots were always good because their main guy took less money to win more and they spent average money on a bunch of guys to help him out. We have no way of knowing right now if Douglas strategy will eventually work out. However it is likely among the best strategies to cope with bottom-feeding roster and mediocre at best coaching.
