First, would I trade up for Lawrence? No. Maybe he is the Second Coming of Peyton Manning, but even to move up a few spots would cost a king's ransom and the ability to acquire the talent around him to allow him to succeed - we just went through this with Darnold. Even a great QB by himself cannot salvage a shitty roster, not to mention if Gase is still HC then hell no. Second, and more importantly, would Douglas trade up? Again, no. He learned from Ozzie Newsome, and Newsome wouldn't trade up. He didn't trade up for Lamar, he did what he always does: let the draft board come to him. Douglas is the same. For all of that, I'm not even sure Douglas will take Lawrence even if they have the #1 pick. Again, looking at who JD learned from, it's quite possible that he will focus on building his foundation before he worries about getting his FQB. I realize that heads here will explode even suggesting such a possibility, but I don't think it's a stretch.
Huh? The Ravens did trade up for Lamar Jackson. Douglas was a big part of the organization that traded up for Carson Wentz. That would indicate he will trade up for a QB. The Ravens are a sound organization and even they were willing to move up to get a QB they felt was worth it (albeit nowhere near the price of what Lawrence will be).
Have you seen the cowboys play, they give up 40 points a game, only won game(s) because of Dak, and botched onside kick, otherwise would be 0-6, same as jets. Their o almost as bad as ours w/o Dak, even they have more talent. McCarthy = Gase at this point. But do agree, jags, shitskins, and giants are the competition. Losses are losses though, no matter how competitive. In our case we have had NO chance in any of our games, Chargers have been in all or theirs. Still chargers 1-5. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
My mistake, I forgot they had done that. But as you also noted they didn't ransom their future to do so. What role did Douglas have in the Wentz situation?
Good question, but the answer is No. Just too many holes on the Jets roster to trade all of the picks they have now. @ColoradoContrails asked the right question: Would Douglas do it? Answer: No way! Not part of his plan. Better question: Would other teams do it and what would they give up to the Jets? If Douglas believes in Sam as much as I do, I could definitely see him trading the pick. It would be a really controversial move though.
I wouldn't. This team still needs a lot just to be competitive. I'd build up the offense as much as possible and see what Sam can do with a new CS. If he continues to be below average, there will be QB's coming out in 2022 and beyond with high upside. It's also possible that the new CS likes Fields or Lance and we could be in position to pick one of them. As I have mentioned in other threads, one 2022 prospect who looks intriguing is Jayden Daniels.
The Vikings wouldn't take him. They just extended Cousins. For better or worse (definitely worse), he is their QB for the foreseeable future.
Supposedly a lot. I have a friend who is a knowledgeable die-hard Eagles fan that stated there was a lot of chatter that Joe D. and the entire front office was on board and pushed for the move. https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/...me-of-his-notes-on-carson-wentz-dak-prescott/ https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-biggs-bears-essentials-spt-0919-20160918-column.html
The one glaring weakness Ozzie had as a GM was at QB. If Douglas learned anything from working under Ozzie, it should be to not follow Ozzie's example of how to draft a QB. Flacco was the best QB that Ozzie ever drafted. EDIT: MY MEMORY WAS FAULTY. OZZIE DRAFTED LAMAR JACKSON IN HIS FINAL DRAFT, SO JACKSON IS THE BEST QB OZZIE EVER DRAFTED. STILL PRIOR TO THAT, OZZIE WASN'T VERY GOOD AT DRAFTING QBS. I agree that Douglas wouldn't trade a ransom to move up, but if Cincy had the #1 pick and we were #2, he might be able to give the Bengals a decent deal to move up one spot. Then again, he may not need to. No team may be willing or able to give up the bevy of picks it would take to move up to take Lawrence. We've all assumed that multiple teams would be willing to trade the farm to move up, but maybe no team would give up that much. Cincinnati doesn't need Lawrence. They need Sewell. If the Bengals wanted an unreasonable amount for us to trade up, Douglas would and should stand pat. The Bengals would take Sewell #1 and we'd take Lawrence #2.
Huh. That puts things in a different light I suppose. Still - and IDK why I feel this way - I think Douglas is going to follow the "slow and steady wins the race" approach, which is a little bit frustrating for me since I've been waiting for decades for things to change, but OTOH, the only way they'll REALLY change is to build from the foundation up.
Depends on the cost.. if it’s a 2nd round pick to move up 1-2 spots then absolutely YES. This scenario won’t happen though... this team has been gutted and one of the worst coaches ever. We are getting 1 overall
Good question and thread. I'd be torn, but probably wouldn't trade up. As much as I like Lawrence, the Jets cannot afford to trade the draft capital they have accumulated. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and all that. As some other posters have said, if any of the bad teams except the Bengals have the #1 pick, more than likely they will take Lawrence. The Bengals don't need Lawrence. They need Sewell. We have all assumed that a number of teams would be willing to trade a haul of picks to move up, but in reality, there may be no team willing or able to give up the haul that it would take to move up. If the Bengals have the 1st pick and we have the 2nd pick, we could still wind up with Lawrence. It would be pointless to trade away all of our draft capital to get Lawrence, then we wouldn't have anything with which to build around him, and he'd be in the same position as Sam was, albeit with hopefully better coaching. So we need to finish with the #1 pick. If not, it will depend upon what Douglas thinks about Lance and Fields vs. Sam. If he likes one of them, then they could be the pick. If not, he could go with Chase or Sewell, or if some team really coveted one of those 4 players (Lance, Fields, Sewell & Chase) he could trade down and garner additional picks. As much as I'd love to add Chase or Sewell, if some team offers Douglas a bunch of picks to move down, I hope he takes the picks. As good as they are, they aren't a QB. We don't need Sewell as we have Becton and Fant, or could draft another RT with one of our 1st or 2nd round picks. Playing Sewell or Becton at RT would be a waste of their talents. Having Chase would be awesome, but if I could trade down a few spots, add a 2nd and 3rd round pick, or another 1st round pick next year, and still take Waddle, I'd do it in a NY minute.
Did Ozzie draft Lamar? I thought he had already retired when Lamar was drafted. Yes, Flacco won a SB, but it was more the Ravens D and the rushing attack that carried Flacco to victory. He never was that good. I just looked it up. Ozzie did draft Lamar in his final draft. So Lamar is the best QB that Ozzie ever drafted, but his record before that was pretty bad.
He was good enough. I was in Baltimore in those years, he was their guy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The 2018 draft was Ozzie's last. Jackson was his last 1st round pick. And while Flacco wasn't great in Baltimore, he made some big plays during that title run and had 11 TD's vs 0 INT's.
Yes, I just looked it up and saw that my memory was faulty. I knew it was close. Ozzie did draft Lamar Jackson in his final draft. Thanks. Flacco did play great during that title run; otherwise, not so much.
Nope. Not w where this team is at.Build infrastructure & an identity on offense.You have 2 young QBs w potential.Darnold & Morgan.No reason to force anything. Revisit as early a next yr when we also have 2 1st round picks.
