That is precisely the point here. That's what makes even Adams trade palatable. If we get lucky we may end up with a better player than Adams with our own pick. Someone for next 4 years on a good contract whom we could never get if kept and paid Adams a fortune. JD is adding core pieces. Becton and Font are big upgrades to OL, and are signed for a few years. We finally have a respectable punter. Jury on Mims and other picks is still out, but we might end with a few more pieces there. We have a big draft coming up next year, where I am hoping we end up with a better player than Adams, and more pieces. Then a few more via free agency. New coach. Then hopefully a better season and another draft and that's where we can use some CAP room for star players. At that point hopefully the team have enough core where we will be the ones looking to trade for players like Adams. The bottom line here is, this is the plan, and JD is sticking to his guns, and some pieces are falling into place even though the team currently sucks. This is a several year plan, and we are in year one. Need to give some time. When core is in place a team can turn it up in one or two years. Just look at 49ers in the last couple of years: from worst to best in NFC and SB in one year. But first things first, we need to build the core, and JD needs some time for that.
If he NEVER produced here of sucked last year in the same offense I would agree. But to just assume, based on everything contrary to that assumption, that he would "suck" this year is just twisting facts to fit your narrative? Does Crowder suck? If Robby even gave us the exact numbers he gave last year this team would be a few inches closer to competent and would give Sam a slighter chance in hell at looking like and NFL QB. ANYONE who can justify not bringing Robby back at the contract he ended up with is either Joe D himself or just loves to sit in the contrarian seat for sake of argument.
I don't think Joe D came into this year saying we are going to tank, ruin a potential future franchise QB for the first pick of the draft and get Lawrence. That may end up being the result and that will be great, but lets not pretend that Joe D's plan was to field an 0-16 uncompetitive laughing stock this year. Again, at this point its the best thing that could happen but no GM wants to have an 0-16 dumpster fire on their resume.
If you go back to before Anderson left and read all the comments, pro and con, for keeping him or letting him go, you'll see a lot of "let him go" comments that were based on sound thinking: he was never an all round WR, he didn't run good routes, he was easily muscled off passes, and he was seeking more money than those traits were worth. But now, with hindsight and seeing the wreckage of our receiving corps it seems foolish to have let him go. But no one could have predicted this. Moreover, there is still the problem of Gase being the HC and not using RA to his best abilities. Yes, having Anderson now would certainly help, but that ship has sailed.
Having Anderson at what he signed for in Carolina would be a benefit. However there is no reason to believe he gave the Jets that option. 2 years and $20M was likely what the Jets had on the table for him. Maybe they had a bit more or a bit less but that's the kind of contract they were looking for when Anderson was asking 4 years and $50M+ at the start of the talks. He chose to go to Carolina for a team-friendly 2 year deal. He didn't offer the Jets the option to match that deal. Wounded pride that the Jets wouldn't give him a big free agent deal led him to sign elsewhere for roughly what the Jets were offering. Note that the Jets history of throwing money at big name players clearly came into play here. The expectation for Anderson that if he did well he would get a windfall was set by what the Jets typically do. When that windfall was not coming he walked away.
Yes that ship has sailed but I refuse to keep reading comments that it was a good decision to let him walk and not respond. Hiring Gase is a ship that has sailed. Signing Bell is a ship that has sailed. Woody buying the team is a ship that has sailed. I can say that about anything. Bottom line is this organization had one mission this year and it was to determine if Sam, the QB we traded a lot of picks for to get was a QB of the future and you don’t make that assessment by taking away one of the only true outside weapons he had a comfort level with and that was productive. That’s why this franchise ruins QBs year after year after year and I’m tired of it.
Here is my take on JD. THE DRAFT He did pretty good with his picks. Not perfect but better then we have done in a long time. He mostly drafted what we needed position wise It is not his fault Mims and some of the others cant find the field. People keep acting like we didn't take a top wideout but we did, and he may still become great. Who knows? I'm not against him for the draft. It was an improvement. JAMAL ADAMS I agree with this move a lot. Maybe I was wrong but I could have never imagined we could get anything more than a late round first for him - or maybe 2 seconds. JD got significantly more then that. IMO that is a win. Heres the thing. We knew we were in rebuild mode and Adams is going to want 25 million a year. We cant start a rebuild by paying a safety 25 million a year. What else could we do? He forced our hands. The fact that we got so much for Adams is a score. SInce we are the jets maybe we screw those picks up but business wise it was a great deal. ROBBIE ANDERSON Was no big loss to the Jets. We had him for 4 seasons and knew what he could do for us. Especially in a Gase offense where Robbie stats would probably be 19 catches for 197 yards. Crowder is a way better wideout then Robbie. However don't get me wrong - this is where I am losing faith in JD. The money that he held back this season has hurt us badly. There are so many places that money could have helped us this season. I mean seriously - just pick a position that could have used more fire power. This is a part of the reason this season is such a travisty. We could have brought in another talented player but instead we just sat there tightfisted. Why didn't we bring in another impact receiver or pay Robbie with this money? That mistake piles on to ruining Sam. That is a huge mistake by a GM. JD wanted to be a tight ass and roll some money over and Sam suffered for it. Not only is that a dumb shit move - that is a tanking move. (People say nobody is really tanking but our GM says otherwise. Of course players are not tanking because its their livelyhoods on the line. They have to produce to get paid. But JD...?). Not that most fans will care, but it also hamstrings the HC. And top coaches recognize that. Now its all blowing up in his face. No reputable coach wants to come here. No good FAs will want to come here unless we pay top dollar. Even top college talent is cringing at the thought of coming to this dumpster fire. Most of the players seem to hate it here and few will resign once they can leave. So what - we are going to rebuild with a rookie HC and FAs that couldn't get signed anywhere else? So IMO JD was doing pretty good until he held back the money this season. That was just a greedy amateur move and I'm upset at him for it. But he acts like he has a plan and we have no choice but to see it through.
I hear you and agree, but as Br4d posted above, Anderson wasn't willing - at least publicly - to accept the same deal he eventually got with Carolina. As a GM trying to build a sustainable winner, Douglas didn't want to invest that much (4 years $50million) in a marginal (at that time based on his performance to-date) #2 WR. That was a gamble that Douglas chose to take, and it has bit him, and like all gamblers he has to own responsibility for that, but to call it ridiculous or stupid as some here have said isn't right either. Bottom line is that this team an unholy mess, worse than most people could have predicted, even a dark-sider like me, but I still maintain that this is not due to poor GM decisions (although that hasn't helped) but to years (more than a decade) of poor GM and owner decisions, and really shitty coaching, Bowles, with Gase being even worse. We can't expect the Johnsons to sell unfortunately, but we can hope and pray they finally come out of their ignorance-induced coma and fire Gase NOW, which will have the effect of applying AED paddles to the heart of this team.
I'm guessing the lack of action in free agency was due to having Adams and Darnold coming up on paydays. He might have done things very differently if he was able to trade Adams before free agency started. If you think about it if Adams and Darnold both worked out and stayed with the Jets that's an additional $40M a year minimum on the cap between them.
Maybe but he also spent money on Desir, McGovern, Van Roten, Gore, Doctson, Onwuasor and Perriman. He added no edge and took zero free agency flyers on any edge players. He gets credit for Fant, but he did not have a good free agency whatsoever.
I agree that Gase was the problem, but that reminds me of an experience from my first year in NYC. I got a full time job as a receptionist for a major interational consulting firm. The pay was decent, and the office manager who hired me told me that I could study during the day when I wasn't busy. Well, after I had been there three months, she quit for a better job. I was given several of her former responsibilities, but no additional pay. We went about 5 months without an office manager. They finally hired a new office manager and she took an instant dislike to me. After about a month, for no reason whatsoever, she fired me. I went to the Sr. VP in charge of the office to protest and to get it reversed. He apologized, and said that I had done great work for them, and that I was right, but it had taken them a long time to find the office manager, and if he didn't back her on that, she might quit. He said that unfortunately, I was the low man on the totem pole. I think that's likely what happened with Anderson and the Jets. Gase didn't like him for whatever reason, and even though Douglas probably (?) would have kept him, because Gase didn't want him, Douglas felt like he needed to support Gase and go along with him, so he let Anderson sign with the Panthers. That's the thing that some posters here don't seem to understand. GMs are forced into making some moves that they perhaps wouldn't normally make, in order to work with and support the HC in what he wants. That's why I won't kill Douglas for letting Anderson walk. I think it all goes back to Gase.
In an ideal world, both work out and we have a building block on each side. I know 40 million is a lot to allocate for 2 players, but the goal should be to retain homegrown players who produce and are difficult to replace.
I don’t know, I think you can understand someone else thought process without actually being them or a contrarian.
I can understand that but ti's still a mistake on his part. But the biggest mistake we made was gase. he destroyed miami and now the jets. I also can't believe our owners after watching the texans and falcons clean house, refuse to fire gase
Yes true but all those were smaller deals....none of them were in the neighborhood of what Robbie wanted, right?
Anderson got 2 years/$20 million with $12 million guaranteed. No long term commitment and an extremely team friendly deal.
