Do we build around Sam and give him weapons in order to at least see his performance in anything outside of dreadful circumstances? I say the Jets and JD have no other choice. Look @ Baker Mayfield. Prime example. of what explosive and exciting weapons can and will do for a young quarterback; especially @ WR. Cleveland Browns got it right ppl. Right now we have 4 first round picks combined over the next two draft's right. And imo all 4 must be addressed on the offensive side of the ball. Surround Sam with 1st round winners like himself coming out. It's only right. Trading down to me is not an option. Get Sam your best kids. Trade down in other rounds. Not the 1st. Pull the trigger JD. All 4 times. Shoot your shot man. Because JD can use multiple 2nds, 3rds, 4ths and Free Agents on our defense throughout the entire off-season(s) all he likes on OLBs, CBs, Safety, MLBs etc etc But with these 4 first round picks? Man. Guys. They must all be used on offense. We have to strike especially @ WR and O-Line because if not it's just criminal what every HC and GM has done and imo is currently doing to our once beloved Darnold. They have us ready to quit on this kid. They've surrounded him with crap. Wtf. Two players to build around. Sam and Becton. Think about it. 4 first round picks to build around two of the most important offensive positions ALREADY IN PLACE; QB & LT. Good start, right? Denzel Mims could become a gem however we don't have the luxury of waiting to see. Sam is on the line here. I wanted Jerry or Lamb and really I had no idea who Mims really was coming out i rarely watch a Baylor game all I know is that he dropped to us in the 2nd round. 1-4 in no specific order in other words BPA with all 4 of these 1st round picks @ 4 different offensive positions of need. 1.) O-Tackle. In other words JD follows up the Becton selection and double dips on another 1st round OT. Miss out on Trevor Lawrence? Guess what? If we're picking 2nd or 3rd? We can straight up WIN THE ENTIRE DRAFT with PENEI SEWELL. Many are saying he's the greatest OT prospects they've ever seen. If he's there @ 2-3-4? 100% you imo don't trade down. You pull the trigger. And you protect Sam with both SEWELL and Becton and stick to just 4 first rounders. A LT/RT duo of Becton/Sewell and/or Sewell/Becton and automatically Sam Darnold will have a clean pocket throughout his entire playing career moving forward with two QB protectors one on each side of his line. I want Penei pretty bad if we miss out on Trevor. 2.) 1st Round WR: Darnold desperately needs a WR drafted during the first round. Something no Jets QB within a passing league has experienced since Keyshawn/Santana. That's criminal and it's a must. Wtf. JD plz fix and end this disgusting drafting pattern of ignoring future elite great WRs while absolutely passing them up for other positions. JD drafts us a 1st round WR? lol and I'll begin to open up to him as a fan. And lighten up on the #33 trade. JD you do awesome and land Sam an All Pro FIRST ROUND WR talent and all is forgiven just please do right and draft us a 1st round WR the draft following Christmas? I was in HS 2003 when Moss was drafted out of the Hurricanes. I was only 10-11 when Keyshawn was drafted. Now I'm 35 with a 9 yo daughter and my new requirement for GM to be considered non delusional is to draft a 1st round WR. The end. Rant over. The wait has got to end. WR. 1st round. Hello. 3.) Center. We once had a BrickOfGold in D'Brick and Mangold. Not a mock draft but who's the top 2 Centers coming out? Because whoever they are, we need one of them for the interior or else a once great Le'Veon Bell or any other RB will never amount to anything. Becton is set @ LT he's a wall and he'll protect Sam's blind side 100%. We could potentially already have another phenom in Sewell You guys were right, Becton was more important than WR long term because now that Becton is in place and looks god gifted beast mode we can now focus on forming a great O-Line by striking in the 1st round. LT is set. RT and Center are next. We all know what an excellent LT-Center duo can achieve together no more explanation needed. Mawae. Mangold. I'm confident 100% JD will leave the first round with a Center in order to lead alongside Becton. 3/5 complete. Maybe even a #1 WR too. That's something that Brick and Mangold's QBs lacked; a true #1 WR outside DOG. And maybe Denzel will flourish in the outside as a #2 with Crowder feasting from the slot? Offense is almost complete and ready to attack. 4.) LG. Who's the three top rated NCAA road grading/pass protecting/overall nasty college LG? Think about it. All of a sudden the left side of our Offensive Line is a young animal within the makings now led by Becton/Sewell @ both OT's?and also a top rated blue chip LG and Center duo on the interior? And a #1 WR? Sorry for long winded post. Just trying to make right of the Jamal Adams trade. Maybe my favorite defensive Jet player since Revis can actually net us and give our GM ammo to bring me a #1 WR, some beast offensive lineman and a super young Franchise QB in Sam (younger than Burrow) to root for on Sundays while shutting me up about "the trade". I don't care how bad my defense stinks anymore JD if you give me a future Steelers/Patriots/Colts/Chiefs types of offenses that I've had to watch over the years maybe football will be fun to my again. And I can be my old 2009/2010 homer self again. Can someone internet smart forward this post to JD's email please?
I'm not ready to give up on Darnold yet. He has shown genuine ability whenever he has someone to work with. I don't know anything about this hotshot college QB, but I've seen a lot of them come and I've seen a lot of them go. This board was once tearing its hair out because we screwed up on getting Marcus Mariota. No doubt people will tell me this kid is different and I'm sure he's great, but we have a QB who is good enough. I agree with you on the draft picks. I would like to see all four go on offensive talent - linemen and receivers. I'd like a really good running back in the second round. It all depends where we end up picking, but I would not be averse to trading down a few spots if our pick very high, to get an extra first-rounder maybe. Imagine getting a receiver and two linemen in the first round next year and doing it again the year after. We would hopefully be on our way to a dominant offensive line and that's where it all starts. Have you noticed how opposing offensive lines form those textbook pockets on every passing play? While Sam is running from interior pressure as soon as he gets the ball? That's what we need to address.
I’m more concerned with them finishing 0-16 and still not getting the number 1 pick. I don’t know if it’s possible with the SOS rankings, but if it is....
If they don't finish with the first overall I would hope they roll with Sam again and address OL by going after Thuney in FA and seeing if they can lure A Rob or JuJu here to help outside. Would be fine if they went after another OT with that 1st overall or Jamar Chase. If they get the overall first pick though, TL is the guy and that pick needs to be made the day after the season ends.
To answer the question, we'd be no worse off than we are right now. We may not have the top pick, but we do have a multitude of picks to work with and the reality is, we're already at bed rock so there's no place lower that we can go to. JD has to get this draft right or else he has to walk the plank in 2022 if this team still sucks. He won't get 6 years as the fanbase will not stand for another extended rebluild. For the sake of the Franchise, Gase has to go at the end of the season if not before. Another bad showing should just about finish this ongoing drama. JD had better start thinking about how Gase can drag him down too. They may or may not be pals, but this is business and JD needs to realize he's not exactly lighting it up as GM. Lucky for the both of them the CEO is braindead .
Unless they fire Gase and Patten Oswalt, I am not sure I want to see Darnold back this year simply because he is being further ruined by those two. He isn’t making open reads and his confidence is shot. I am ready to move on but if there’s a case for keeping him is to not further ruin him. This simply isn’t working.
1a. Ja'Marr Chase 1b. IOL(Wyatt Davis/Josh Myers/Trey Smith) 2. RB(Kenny Gainwell/Travis Etienne) 3a. CB 3b. WR The offense would have playmakers, the OL would be beefed up, and more CB help comes for a less than stellar group.
You have to think a lot of our players get better once Gase is gone ala Tannehill, Drake (last year), Robby, Parker... He's a disease. Hopefully with a good coach Herndon, Sam, Mims... all have success.
If we can't get Lawrence...we need to not draft another OT..Fant has been fine. We need to go after weapons..Jamarr Chase for one. If we trade back. Stockpile on guys like Etienne, Waddle, etc. in mid round and late round targets. We need interior OL help before RT. I would consider re-signing Fant honestly.
I was watching an interview with a Jets team cover guy who made an interesting observation that there is no possible way the Jets will not get the 1st pick simply because they are so far below the level of even the Giants and Falcons, teams that are sure to win 2-3 games this year. And if they do get the #1, they have to pick Lawrence because he's so good, you don't want to be the infamous team that passed on him. Can't say I disagree. Trevor has looked awesome this season. The way the Jets are playing , 1-15 is not unrealistic. Perhaps like others have said, not firing Gase is a good thing
There is another stud qb out there no-ones talking about. Justin fields may be of the Mahomes/Murray type who can throw and run. He needs to be picked by us if we have the chance.
Fant should be retained. This team needs a game changer in both sides of the ball. Chase should be the pick if we’re not picking 1. Biggest problem I see is if we do end up winning the Lawrence sweepstakes he will be coming into the same bad situation Sam came in to. Young QBs need a line and a guy or 2 that can bail him out and take some pressure off. I thought Bell would be that here but we didn’t have the line and Gase .
I agree with most of OP’s post except that our primary target shouldn’t be OT. Doing so would mean we’re drafting BPA again and that hasn’t worked out in the past. We need a lights out, ready to start on day one, WR followed by interior OL help. C then G. They shouldn’t take a single defensive player in the next draft. Save that for the year after.
I understand many of you want Trevor Lawrence... but history shows QB's drafted with the #1 pick are not likely to win a SB. The last two were Peyton Manning and Eli Manning. Before them, it was Bledsoe who was second string. Cam Newton got to the SB but did not win. Player-wise... winning begins with the OL and the DL. That's where the Jets need to invest.
That Jets cover person also made a point about that. Comparing the 2 , there is none. At #1 , yeah take Trevor. But anything else, support Darnold by getting the players for him , even if it means trading away the Fields pick. Trevor , many say , is a generational talent.
Chase scares me. He had a great year with Joe Burrow last year but he's now sitting out this year? Scared to be exposed @ WR within an LSU offense that no longer features Burrow? I don't know but drafting a WR who's skipping a season kind of scares me.
I don't think so. Lawrence would be coming into a way better situation than Sam did. Douglas will be the GM. They will have a new Head Coach. Plenty of draft picks. Cap space. Hopefully a more unified approach. The 2021 Jets will be in a much better situation than the 2018 Jets were. That is why I think keeping Sam is the best choice. See what he can do when things begin to go right. If they take Lawrence, I think he will be set up for success, unlike Sam was.
The only saving grace is that the line will be in a much better place with Fant and Becton than it was when Sam came in with journey man Beachum and hot garbage patches everywhere else. McGovern sucks too but you have to hope we're only two guards away from him not sucking. We also *seem* to have a much more competent GM this time than what Sam came into. I'll also throw this out there. Love it, hate it, whatever. I'm undecided on how I feel about it because there's zero talk of what the package would be. But I spoke to an Eagles fan last night and he said don't rule out the Jets moving up to get Lawrence if there's a team willing to move out of it. Douglas was supposedly a big part of moving up to get Wentz.
