You are right, about one thing, I don't know what transpired between the two. But, the timeline as to when this all took place is clear to me based on who said what and at what time. We know Jamal stated he wanted to renegotiate. We know that Douglas stated that he wanted to keep Jamal a NY Jet. At the very beginning, there was no animosity or bad mouthing. THIS is when Douglas should have acted , before all the bickering ever started. This is my issue with Douglas. If you care to dispute this based on the the timeline , then by all means, provide dates/times of who said what at what point in time. I know for sure, that when this all started, Jamal was making demands, but not unreasonable, imo. JD should have taken the initiative to meet with him. A GM has to show some tact. Bottom line, we lost a very good player and a true leader on the field.
Adams is a me first locker room cancer & basically turned out to be a double agent. Last thing this team needs. Im disgusted w JD..but i cant hold Adams against him. Guy is bad news & should be kept as far away from Florham park as possible.
Well said...I agree JD needs time to fix this mess, which to me is all on Mac and Idzik...but the Robby for Perriman swap I agree was not a good move...if Robby had been asking top #1 receiver money I get it,but that’s not what it was.
JD DID talk with Adams. JD is the GM, Adams just a player. Players don't call the shots. Inmates don't run the asylum. There was no "should" of timeframe or method in which JD should have talked with Adams. That's up to him as a professional, and what fans think is irrelevant. At that time, very few players with 3 years left on their contract were getting new contracts. I don't blame JD for wanting to wait another year. Adams should have been patient. Besides, Adams had never even mentioned re-negotiating until after he got upset about JD listening to trade offers, and Adams may have said something about wanting to play for Dallas even before JD listened to trade offers, so I think he wanted out, and when getting upset about JD listening to trade offers didn't work, I think he hatched the plan to ask for a ridiculous amount of money that he knew JD couldn't and wouldn't pay yet, and use that as his excuse to force a trade.
The Jet fan outlook for this year should've been 6-10/7-9 even with some good breaks. Douglas deserves more time. But it's looking like we're going to be 2-14 at best. We're trending downward and the product is worse this year. The Anderson/Perriman topic has been beaten to death. Obviously an oversight so I won't harp on it. I posted in another thread that the roster distribution is mind blowing. Roster distribution 8 defensive lineman for three spots (excluding Huff - we'll count him as an OLB) 5 outside linebackers for two spots. 2 inside linebackers for two spots (released Burgess + kept Hewitt) 9 offensive lineman for five spots (it was 8 - we just activated Murray it looks like) 5 safeties for two spots 4 tightends for what looks like really one spot (this excludes the long snapper) 3 QB's for one spot (some teams do it although with a guy you consider to be your FQB it's strange - it also was 4) This is terrible roster management considering the receivers and offensive line have been consistently struggling and lots of rotation because of injury. We should have excess depth at our better spots to try to find better players. Some questionable moves Released Brian Winters to save some money that we won't spend. He was immediately picked up by the Bills and plugged in to start. Both McGovern and Van Roten have been trash. Perriman vs. Anderson - enough said on this topic as mentioned Releasing Jonathan Harrison - he's no stud but he was supposedly a good locker room guy and again, our offensive line has been dreadful and hurt all year with bad depth. This one is a little nitpicky because I don't think he's a very good player Zero free agency flyers outside of Doctson (opt out). Again. It might be nitpicking but free agency flyers is how the Giants got a great year out of Markus Golden and the Buccs got Shaq Barrett. Could we have tried Taco Charlton, Noah Spence, Damontre Moore? Nelson Algholor, Damiere Byrd? Mike Thomas? Pierre Desir is god awful. He's the new David Barrett. I understand we spent money on him and he had. Couple picks thrown right to him, but he should be on the bench. The Broncos had to have completed 15/20 ballst throw at home.
Black is the color you use when you want to cover up the extra flab. It's the hardest color to evaluate weight in. That said, I was being facetious in my post above. You could point at any part of the Jets operation at this point and call it one of the reasons the Jets are losing. That's what happens when the talent on the roster flatlines over a period of years. When was the last time the Jets had above average talent on the roster? Maybe 2015 for a year with all the FA signings but I think it probably was 2010.
I'm not saying Douglas should trash Gase. But have you heard these quotes? https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/news/ny-jets-head-coach-adam-gase-praised-by-gm-joe-douglas "I especially believe in coach Gase, I feel he’s the right coach to lead this team. Having watched him work last year, having seen him and his staff overcame a 1-7 start and finish the way we did. I feel really good about where we are with him and his leadership." "I’ve seen Adam go through a 1-7 start, a coach who never lost patience, who never wavered from his beliefs. A guy who would get up and have the tough conversations with players if he had to. Who would get up and have great communication with players in meetings. Everything I’ve seen, I’ve witnessed in my year here with Adam, I’ve been impressed by. I can’t speak for other people but everything I’ve seen has been outstanding." Seriously, either Douglas is the biggest liar in the NFL, in which case good luck getting the locker room to respect him, or he's a moron.
Joe Douglas has had one draft. If management takes time and ignores media, fans and talk show hosts he has a chance to add talent in the next few seasons. At this point he is in year one. It was especially difficult when a club has all new players on offense and no scrimmages to work things out. The QB has no receivers and they are really weak at cornerback. Fans are already deciding that Sam is no good and they should tank to take Lawrence. With a poor offensive line and no wideouts he would struggle as well. Short term thinking has always gotten the Jets in trouble. Unfortunately, this board excels in that.
Actions speak louder than words. I'll wait and see what happens at the end of this season. If the choice is Douglas' and he retains Gase, then I'll agree with you, trash Douglas, and want him fired.
You would think fans would stop trying to analyze when a GM speaks well of a struggling coach, because there's almost absolutely no reason to talk down on a coach like that.
Exactly Kurt. This will be HISTORICALLY bad......like only happened 5 times in NFL history bad with a winless season. I don't care how you are trying to rebuild. To let Douglas off the hook for again, a HISTORICALLY BAD team is just absurd.
Yes there is no doubt JD talked to Adams, but, what came of it? That's my issue with him. Nothing came of it and the Jamal imploded. Adams knows more than you and I on what transpired in that conversation. He may have all the justification needed to sound off. We're looking at it from the outside. But from that point of view I try to see things from both sides. Losing a pro bowl player, at the peek of his career, one of the Jets few #1 picks that turned out pretty good, is a disaster.
Those are old quotes from months ago. The key is what does he think now after 0-5? And soon to be 0-7? This should be interesting to watch.
Robbie the last two years improved each year here so what gives you proof that wouldn't continue? This is the same argument I HATE. Everyone looks at moves in a vacuum. Like "Jamal being here doesn't change things." and "Drafting a 3rd round WR doesn't make this team better." And "Resigning Robbie doesn't change a thing, the team would be bad." Or "Signing Clowney wouldn't make this defense any better." It's silly thinking and if that's the thought don't ever sign another FA again or draft another player. And I am not advocating that Joe D should have done EVERY move above. But clearly he should have done more. You can't just sink entire seasons. You have to worry about free agent perception, internal culture, fan base apathy, mood in the building, what management will ever want to come here. Great, we have cap space and picks. But we ruined a possible franchise QB and have a stench on the current group of players that will take a complete defribillator to the chest to remove You HAVE TO at some point start to accumulate good players or keep them. We scream about building through the draft and developing our own players and doing it "the right way" and just let arguably the best offensive player we had last year (home grown discovery as an UFA) and best defensive player we had last year leave, regardless of how you feel about Robby and Jamal. WE Found them and developed them then decided to move on. Tell me how that is a way to build a franchise? We KILL this team for bad drafting and its' no coincidence that every time a home grown talent is up to be kept, they turn sour and are gone. John Abraham, Laverneus Coles, Santana Moss, KeyShawn, Revis, Jamal, Robby.......on and on and on again. I talked with Santana Moss 3 years ago at an event I had him come to in order to open one of our offices, set up through Gary Clark who is a friend of mine. I talked to him about his time as a Jet and he said "Yeah, Herm and the front office decided to stop giving me the ball because they knew they would have to pay me and didn't want to do it so they froze me out." THATS the perception of the Jets. So do we just HAPPEN to draft the biggest malcontents in football, or is it just MAYBE that this franchise doesn't believe in being pro-active to keep our best home grown players?
Yeah I have an issue with that too...I HATED letting Abraham go...same with Keyshawn....didn’t understand letting Hugh Douglas go either...we let Sheldon Richardson go ... We let Revis go...Robby is not in those guys class but he yet another homegrown player who we let go. and those guys did well after they left, so hindsight shows those weren’t the right moves at some point, building from within and through the draft has to MEAN building from within our draft record has been SO fucking shitty, but when we do find a few gems ... we need to keep them. you can’t be “rebuilding from the draft” year after year after year after year....at some point, you gotta start KEEPING from the draft and accumulating talent. I agree with that fallacy about the vacuum....no of course this team with just Robby wouldn’t be that much better, but this team with Robby AND Adams AND Clowney or who ever else WOULD be better You can’t always let players go because you “they aren’t worth what they’re asking for”...at some point, you have to pay your own instead of throwing money at free agents... my only hope is that JD wants to do that with his players, but we’ll see
What is interesting about the tossing of Robby Anderson is how JD and Gase evaluated him. They must of looked at him only as a player with limited abilities and a narrow ceiling. Obviously their player evaluation is skewed because of what he has done in Carolina. Hindsight is 50-50 but they must have had blinders on to think Robby would have been not worth having him back. It's scary to think with the fact that dumping him to replace with Perriman, can we trust these 2 for other player evaluations?
No, because Gase wouldn't have drawn a little doodle with an arrow pointing past 10 yards for Robby to do anything with.
You have very short window to build from the draft, about 3-4 years, after that the guys you drafted are due to get paid, and you either keep them and have no CAP or lose them and need to start again. The question is what is that point where you start keeping. And that point is once you have the core in place. Yes, we would be better with Robby, Adams, and Clowney, Mosley, but how much better? Maybe we win 8-9 games? Occasionally 10 games and play-offs here and there. That's what the Jets have done for the past 22 years since that one good year by Vinny. Replace Vinny with run of the mill QB, and that same team that was a legit SB contender lucky to win 8 games. At the very least you need a franchise QB to start paying these draft picks big money. It looks right now as we don't have a good QB. But at least we have a shot at one in the draft. With Adams, Anderson, Clowney, I doubt we have a chance at Lawrence, and probably not even Fields if he does well this year, while at the same time locking large part of CAP room and not having a core capable of contending. Then what, we win 7 games again, don't get a shot at a premier QB and fall into the same pattern of not completely terrible, but not good enough. Let's give JD a chance to do it his way, and yes, it might take a couple of years.
