JD has no power over Gase. A good GM doesn't say in public what is being discussed in private. I don't see how he is complicit at all. He traded away a Mevis-type player and got a load in return. He went OL in round 1, the first time in AGES since they did that. He inherited Bell, who Gase can't seem to find how to help the team. Many of this years draft picks are hurt, how does a GM figure in that? That's on the coaching and training staff. He added place holders to the OL which is exactly what was needed. It's not on him that Van Roten has turned into Van Rotten.. He isn't the one designing plays that put Darnold in an awful position. He needs another 2 drafts with all the picks coming up to mold this into his team. He seems to know talent better than anyone on this team in the last 13 years or so. There is no light switch here, there is no power on because of prior mistakes. He's trying to re-wire this team, it takes time.
We bow down to an expert on trash, who talks and writes it all day long, every single day of the week on here.
Nobody is sayings it’s all on him & everyone KNOWS it takes time to rebuild this mess. What we’re upset about is not being horrible but rather being ALL TIME horrible.This is one of the least talented rosters EVER. The expectations even in a complete rebuild i would hope are beyond this current talent base. W over 30 million still in cap space & basically half a yr to do a self eval of team he shares responsibility for this mess. NOT rebuilding 3-13.Not a young team w talent that is missing key pieces & doesnt yet know how to win.Possibly the worst roster EVER. The fact that folks want to suggest he holds no fault is pitiful. Id fire his ass if you want the honest truth!
We can't draft well, we can't develop, and we can't keep big free agent signings happy, what can we do !?!
I haven't read every post so might be repeating and I apologize for that. 1. No one will admit it but this is a true rebuild. Douglas looked saw how bad it was and said I need to bring it back to the studs and redo this at the detriment of Darnold. 2. Getting anything for Adams is a plus. 3. I'll try to improve but not spend big or long term is the way to go. Get NFL players and hope we can do something with them (IE oline this year). 4. Thought I could swap Robby for Perriman. I was wrong. I'll get a wr with the first round pick and hopefully Mims plays well when he returns. Year 1 rebuild: Year 2: Have lots of money in free agency. If Becton and Fant play well. McGovern is here. I'll get a guard in free agency and hopefully Clark proves he can play. Oline good. Draft a wr to pair with Crowder and Mims. Find a tight end somewhere. Split the draft on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. Linebacker and secondary to be exact. Sign better NFL players than last year. Year 1 with a new qb and coach show improvement. Hit the ground running year 3. Unfortunately we were never informed of the rebuild nor did we realize we were in one. So we'll deal with the pain this year. To accomplish the goal we'll keep the worse coach in all of sports. Fun being a Jets fan.
If Joe gets axed or if he stays completely depends on who the next coach is in my opinion. A big fish option like Harbaugh/Riley/Dabo aren’t coming if he’s the GM because they will want a situation where they pick their players to pry them away from their college programs. If he stays we’ll be in the mix for one of the top coordinators looking for a shot for a head coaching job. We’ve gone down this road over and over and it still leads us to a constant rebuild time after time... If we have a chance to land a highly touted coach because we have Lawrence and a boat load of picks we need to go for it and leave Douglas in the dust.
Yeah and it looks like some of these guys aren't even NFL players and the team isn't remotely competitive. I looked at the Giants last year and said sheesh look at that mess - there's nothing there and very little to look forward to. They're 0-5 but they've lost on the final possession in two games and lost to the Rams by one score and were a red zone interception away from being in a one score game versus the Steelers. They're bad but competitive and have some NFL building blocks. We have a left tackle that looks like a good NFL player, a decent 3T and a decent free safety. Oh and Crowder is a good player. That's it. Most of these guys look like they'll be out of the league in 2-3 years.
I think it's just a waste of forum space to post about JD getting his head chopped off at such an early stage. Too many reasons why it won't happen, though there are many questionable moves that you can fill a 6 shooter with and fire right back at him. That being said, JD made two unforgivable mistakes, in my view. 1. Not signing Anderson - many have stated the reasons here over and over so no reason re-hash. 2. Not signing Jamal Adams - Jamal was the identity of the Jets. He was the man whom many outside the org lauded as the true leader of the team. He was feisty, brash, arrogant, and excitable. All attributes that are needed to be a leader - especially on the defensive side of the ball. Yes he was also outspoken and wanted $$ prematurely. He bad mouthed and practically called the franchise a bunch of losers. Was he wrong? Yes, for stating it, but as we can now see, he saw something that others in the locker room were afraid state. Gotta give him credit. If I were Douglas , before this whole tirade from Adams had started I would have flown to his home, have a serious face-to-face discussion, take him out to the town for dinner, negotiate a new deal and shook hands to make nice. JD handled it all wrong. People can say all they want about paying a safety too many $$ but you can't buy what Adams offered. This is my view of this whole debacle with JD. The Jets had the money but JD cheesed out. Bad move.
Funny, I've looked at Big Blue View, and fans there are as down on their team as we are on ours. They're not thrilled with Gettleman using high picks on Barkley, Jones, and Thomas. They don't see Jones as the guy because of his turnovers at inopportune moments. They dislike their ownership, especially John Mara. The one difference is they haven't turned on Judge yet.
You still haven't answered my question, my friend. How is this roster worse than last year? Yes, Adams is a given, and I'll agree on letting Anderson go. What other key players did we lose? We added a potential HOF LT. We got rid of two awful centers and signed a Center than played very well last year and a backup C that can also play OG and RT (Andrews). Winters is crap, or at least he was on the Jets. Lewis was perhaps our best OL last year, and he's back. Even you said that a team can't go with 5 new OL. Enunwa wasn't going to give us anything. Douglas can't help that Mims, Zuniga and Clark haven't been able to take a snap in game yet. He can't help that Mosley opted out. We have the same DL that played very well last year except we added Zuniga and John Franklin-Myers who was injured last year and who looks like a keeper, and finished in the top 2-3 vs the run, and they've been pretty weak this year, even with Q. Williams playing a lot better. We have Avery Williamson back. Cashman played well as a rookie and he's back. Hewitt played well last year and he's back. Jenkins was an improved pass rusher and has been good at setting the edge is back. We have Herndon back from injury, and still have Griffin, and Wesco is much improved as a blocker. Douglas can't help that Bell has been injured and that Gase still doesn't know how to make use of his talents. Douglas can't get on the field and play for players or catch the ball for Herndon. Herndon has dropped at least two, maybe 3 TDs. Griffin has dropped a TD pass. Cager has dropped one. Berrios has dropped 2 and Jeff Smith dropped 1. Add all those TDs and the Jets may have won a game or two. Ficken is improved as a kicker, and we added a much better punter in Mann. So how/where is this roster so much worse than last year. The truth is, it isn't even worse, much less, much worse. The reality is that the schedule is tougher, and with all the injuries the OL hasn't had time to gel, and a number of the new players haven't been able to contribute. I think Gase has gotten worse instead of better. Sam has definitely played worse. That's the difference, not that the roster is worse.
The product on the field is playing worse. The player who is supposedly the franchise player is playing worse. The precious god damn OL rebuild hasnt yielded anything positive beyond Becton who is HURT.The offensive weapons who everyone defended JD all offseason about are laughably bad..deplorable.Embarassing.Non functional. Let me throw it back at you..how the fuck is this team BETTER? They finished 7-9 last yr,they may not win a single game THIS yr.Improvement? HOW?! How do you defend this? All its doing is making folks like myself HATE JD. I want him gone at this point.This was the worst offseason in team history.
Sorry, but I call BS on #2. JD had every intention of extending Adams until Adams started acting like a spoiled brat, whining about Douglas listening to offers about him. Then Adams started demanding ridiculous money for a SS, and then trashing the organization. You can't re-sign or extend a player like that. Also, several players made comments after Adams left about how the atmosphere in the locker room was better, so it is apparent that a number of players didn't like Adams and his attitude. Apparently Adams wasn't offering something all that great. You are totally looking at the situation as an outsider and a fan, not a professional. You don't know what the players may have said to Gase or JD about Adams, or what the atmosphere may have been like. It wasn't necessarily that other players were afraid to say what Adams did. They just had more maturity, class and professionalism than Adams. Adams is solely the one that caused the split from the Jets, not JD. Your blaming him is totally lame and wrong. I was as big a fan of Adams as any Jets fan. Once I realized that Mac wasn't going to draft Mahomes or Watson, Adams was the player I wanted. The Jets needed leaders and great players, and he appeared to be both. He would up proving to be a great player, but not a great leader.
I didn't say that the team was playing better. Douglas isn't responsible for how the team plays. That's the CS's responsibility. The roster or talent level is better, and that's what Douglas is responsible for. How the team plays and the talent level or make up of the roster are two entirely separate things. The two primary offensive weapons are hurt. That's not Douglas' fault. Herndon is playing like shit. That's not Douglas' fault. Blaming him for that is ridiculous. Griffin was solid last year. He's been crap this year. Maybe it's hangover from the injury, lack of confidence in his health, or who knows why. I only know that isn't Douglas' fault. I understand being frustrated and upset with how the team has been playing and being livid with Gase and his CS. Mistakenly blaming Douglas doesn't solve or fix anything.
I'm not sure I agree with this sans Harbaugh. I think the college coaches with minimal or no NFL experience may want a highly touted person as their GM. The jury is still out on Joe.
I'm shocked to read so many posts demonstrating surprise at this being a rebuilding year. Regardless of what was said to the public...c'mon who didn't think this was a rebuilding year? Given the schedule and the pandemic, this was never going to be our year to make the playoffs much less compete for a championship. I was going to write more, but I mostly agree with NC's post above. Douglass has made moves to make the Jets better. He started with the trenches, shoring up the O line. Becton will be great; he just happened to get injured— at a time, again, when it doesn't really matter. He showed he can be dominant and that's not something he'll forget if he has to sit for a few games or even the rest of the season. He ignored the other trench- so no interior DL were drafted (as I recall) for the first time in forever. Good. May we never draft another fucking DT. We do need a stud pass rusher and have since we let Abraham go, so I fault him a bit for not making that more of a priority. However, we had a lot of needs. We needed a WR and he drafted one early. Sure Mims is hurt and yes that sucks as far as him developing chemistry with Darnold, but who could've predicted his injury? I saw in the game thread a lot of people kvetching that we didn't draft that kid on PIT...who's to say he would've had the chance to beast on the Jets? Remember who our offensive genius is...the kid would probably have been on the bench or playing FB or some stupid shit. Trading Adams was a good move, even though he is an all-pro. The guy didn't want to be here, and I can't blame him. He knew what the Jets are- a team in rebuild mode. I don't see how his presence here would've made us good enough to compete for anything other than a 7-9 record. Letting Anderson go was a mistake. The biggest Douglass has made. I don't think he would've put up the numbers he has been in CAR, but that's mostly because Gase is a moron. Still, it's perplexing to get rid of a dynamic player who actually wanted to be here and does have chemistry with who is supposed to be your franchise QB. Take a breath, guys. Douglass has done more good than harm, certainly more so than our most recent GMs, and he demonstrates better football acumen than our HC and ownership. We haven't had a GM like that in some time.
He isn't complicit for supporting his HC publicly. Trashing Gase publicly would accomplish nothing. It would only make it so the two can't work together to try to turn things around this season. It would be just as unprofessional as Adams was in trashing the Jets. Those factors are even more true because Gase and Douglas have or had some kind of respect and friendship from working together before. If you had a job where you were a peer of one of your friends, and he wasn't doing a good job, would you trash him publicly? I'd hope not. You'd be a pretty lousy friend if so, and you'd also be unprofessional. Douglas doesn't need to go unless he wants to keep Gase as HC. The idea of giving a HC complete control is idiotic. It almost never works. O'Brien is the latest example. Parcells was an example. If we fired Douglas after a little over one year, we'd be the laughingstock of the NFL and rightfully so. No decent GM candidate would ever apply for the Jets job again, and if that HC we hired failed, which he probably would, then we'd be stuck going back to the incompetent boobs like Rex, Bowles, Mac and Idzik. You should listen to your 99% and forget about the irrational 1%.
have an extremely hard time buying that the talent level is better when i know the garbage that went on this past offseason, w one team going 7-9 & the next going potentially 0-16 & destroying their franchise QB along the way w the EXACT SAME coaching staff. You know im a believer in context but having a hard time w that statement. What blame JD has is debatable,but thers no way thinking this past offseasonn & what we’re seeing now is acceptable. His first offseason was a C- on a honeymooner’s curve Next draft he’ll rebuild the rebuilt OL & then address the defense which suddenly is just as bad as the O.Expecting this offense to get any love beyond the OL from this guy is actually comical.He was content w this abomination WR corps we see this yr.Next yr willl be aboit trenches & D per usual.Doesnt excite me.Same old lifeless garbage
Yes, in hindsight, this is a massive, massive blunder. You have top 3 receiver in NFL and you don't keep him. However, what may be worth rehashing, is that this is in hindsight. At the time, for two years in a row Robby looked like a #2 receiver with 750 yards in last two years. If you had him right now, common sense says he would also look like a 750 yard #2 receiver. I think this move, as bad as it was, helps evaluate Gase and Sam, regretfully not very favorably. You need a competent coach and a QB to properly evaluate a receiver. Without that benefit, when a guy gets 750 yards for two years in a row, it's hard to call not keeping him in favor of much cheaper Perriman unforgivable. What will be unforgivable is if we keep the same coach/QB combo and expect to properly evaluate WR corps. I believe the jury is still out on that one. Yes, Adams is worth this money, even if he did not give discount. Yes, what we got from Seattle was no where near his value. But, can we afford to keep this guy before the core of the team is even formed? Even with Adams, we win a few extra games to take us out of crème of the crop on draft picks, but not enough to contend. Without Adams we have a shot at Lawrence in the draft or another top QB. We will be getting better draft picks every year for a couple of years to build the core. And then have money spend on an impact player once core is in place. So, for this trade we need to wait for a couple of years to find out if it was unforgivable or good. Overall I agree, we need to give JD some time. I would say a couple of more years. If the Jets still struggle at QB, don't have a core that came make play-offs, then onto the next. But not just yet.
