A GM needs to be able to do three things well: 1.) Draft impact talent 2.) Manage the cap well 3.) Acquire talent through Free Agency Let's be honest. Our drafts have been shitty for a long time now. Most likely top 5 worst drafts of any team in the league for several years and now our record falls right in line with this. First and foremost, I want to see the Jets have a GM who knows how to evaluate and draft impact guys. This to me is the most important lifeline for any sustainable successful franchise. This past draft was better than any other recent ones but still lacking in a lot of key areas. I gave it a C+. JD still has to prove that he can nail a draft. A B+ or higher is what I'm expecting out of him going forward.
I think Olivia Landis should be promoted. Maybe to President. Holy shit is she awesome. The lass is a crusher. Definitely the best thing about this fuckin team. Here's some highlights.
99% of the time I'd agree with you, but we could legitimately go 0-16 this season, and Douglas is complicit in that, especially given the number of times he's endorsed Gase. If we get the #1 pick, Lawrence falls into our lap, and we can get a top coach who wants Lawrence and full control, Douglas needs to go.
If the Jets fire a GM less than 2 years into a 6 year deal, after having fired a GM immediately post-draft, they will never get a quality GM candidate to interview for the position again for the foreseeable future, let alone land a decent candidate for the job. This team is bad because of a decade of neglect to the roster and the most inept coaching in the NFL, bar-none. One draft and one free agency period was not going to fix it. Gase has no choice but to publicly defend Gase. What else is he going to do? Throw him under the bus and sow even more problems in the locker room and throughout the organization? He's not Gase's boss, so it's not his job to offer critiques on Gase or the other coaches.
When the offense continues to pound a square peg into a round hole, I'm not sure anyone can be really evaluated. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to line up Bell as a WR, when you have none of any NFL talent, yet the "offensive genius" only runs him up the middle. Douglas had to fix pretty much everything. He deserves a little leeway here.
H'mm my idea is more radical Gase pushed for Douglas so that Gases job is secure by paying Douglas 1/2 of his salary as HC of the NYJs
Next year he picks his own coach and own QB, then the clock starts on him for real, but so far he has done nothing to improve this roster
Another reason why being out of sequence hurts the organization, GM first, then the coach, then they draft their QB
This is not an all or nothing. I think it would be certifiably insane to fire Douglas or consider firing him at this point. Thats why we are who we are. I think that tune even next year would be premature as long as their is some progress which shouldn't be hard after 0-16.I also think it is certifiably insane for him to get a complete pass and for people to keep saying he needs more time and thats the rationale for him getting a free pass. Yes, he needs more time to build the team in his image with balance etc. But he has been on the job for a year and a half with 2 off-seasons and a draft and this team is CONSIDERABLY worse than the day he took over. Someone said earlier - you don't expect ALL Pro players from every draft pick, but when you come out of a draft, you expect 3-4 solid contributors year 1 and maybe one of them being a Day 1 starter. Becton is that and the punter is a contributor. Ashton Davis looks like a disaster. Anyone can say "It's only Year 1, thats a ridiculous statement." I'll say it now. He's a disaster. Mims cant get on the field. Zunaiga can't get on the field. We have a project QB. We have a guard on witness protection. Spin it how you want, but if you weren't a Joe D fan and this was a Mac draft, people would be losing it. The Robby Anderson swap for Perriman was perhaps one of the dumbest miscalculations I've seen in a while. You have a WR who your up and coming possible franchise QB has familiarity and comfort with and you let him walk for peanuts. Either you are trying to sabotage Sam by not giving him continuity with the 1 big play WR he has had in his pro career or you made a dumb miscalculation. Either way its bad. Michael Irvin was on Joe and Evan the other day and says he knows Robby well. He said Robby called him "practically crying" because he didn't want to leave NY. How does that happen? If we did NOTHING ELSE this season, we needed to get a fair assessment on our young 23 year old potential future QB by giving him a better line, decent running game and some outside weapons to determine the future of the franchise. We instead patched together a budget line, signed a 57 year old RB as the backup RB, didn't resign his most trusted big play WR and replaced him with a bust of former 1st round pick that put 4 good games on tape last year (with the main weapons in Tampa hurt) another failed 1st round pick that opted out, and a raw rookie along with Crowder who is a real pro. And to top it off, gave him that bag of shit with arguably thew worst coach in franchise history (I know this isnt on Douglas) So any firing Douglas talk is crazy. But it's equally as crazy for people who are making excuse after excuse for him and giving him a free pass on this shit show that is the NYJ
If Douglas genuinely thinks Gase is doing a good job, as I’ve heard he said, then he needs to be fired Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The honeymoon period for Douglas is definitely over. But he deserves the chance to hire the next HC. Even though they are the owners both Woody and Chris need to STFU and GTFO when it comes to the hiring process. The fact that Chris thinks Gase is taking football where it needs to go tells you how clueless he is. If JD brings in his guy then at least you know both he and the new HC are on the same page in how to get this turned around. That is where it has to start.
Very well said 88..and sums my feelings as well Still have my "vote for Joe Douglas pin" but the points you made about the signings or lack of signings makes me think twice or even 3 times ahah For me its the contrast effect, rebound from Mike Mac, thats contributed to the "wanna make this work " state of denial I am in over JD hire OTOH We cant evaluate our GM if we dont see Mims and Zunaiga play a game right? its ridiculous I didnt mind Adams leaving but I thought we could have negotiated better with Robbie, give SD some help. So the no signing of RA and that deal with Perriman, which I was hopeful about, turns to be just a cheap way out The Baltimore Philosophy was "right player right price". Douglas needs to to understand that today there is such a thing called inflation
I think some may believe that I'm giving Douglas a free pass. I'm not. I'm just not going to kill him yet for his mistakes. He's a human and we humans make mistakes. He's also a rookie, and rookies make mistakes. Kalil was a mistake, but one born out of desperation when Mac left the team with only Harrison at Center. I do think Anderson was a mistake, and as it has turned out, a BIG mistake. It's extremely disappointing and frustrating that Mims, Zuniga and Clark have yet to see the field. I can't fault Douglas for that however. Zuniga, maybe, as he was injured a lot in college. Mims never missed a game at Baylor his last 3 years, and I don't think Clark missed any games at UNC-Charlotte, but could be wrong about that. I've been disappointed in Davis, but he was drafted more for potential. He didn't have much experience playing football, only a year or two in high school and a couple of years at Cal. He has talent. I'm willing to wait and see if he develops. If not, then I'll criticize Douglas for that pick later. The only reasons I would even consider firing Douglas at this point are if he believes Gase is doing a good job and should return as the HC, and if he has no plans to draft a WR high (in at least the 2nd round, and most preferably with one of our two 1st round picks) in 2021 nor to sign a big name FA WR.
The Jets got 2 instant starters in the 2020 draft. Is this draft a failure? Very few players are great in their 1st season.
I'm not jumping to conclusions to the tune of it being a failure. But we need to start pulling some starters out of the draft that can plug and play sooner than later. The punter is great but that's not who I'm talking about - a punter starts by default. The Colts drafted three day one starters this year (Taylor, Pittman and Blackmon) and an additional two special teams contributors (Rodgers - ran a kick back and Glasgow). We need a draft like that.
Letting Robby walk is the biggest criticism I have. He had chemistry with Sam and was worth an overpay of a few million for that reason alone. Not adequately addressing the WR position is a fair criticism, but he took Mims in round 2. Unless he has a crystal ball, he had no way of knowing Mims would be hurt before the season started. He could've taken a second WR, but maybe he plans on taking one by day 2 in the 2021 draft. He backs Gase in public because he has no other choice. If he said, "I think Gase stinks and needs to be fired now," that would be a bad look for the team. If he does so after the season ends, then we're in trouble. As for Adams, he wanted to make him a Jet for life, but Jamal forced his way out of town. Trashing the organization is not how a player should go about negotiating an extension. He got more for Adams than many expected. This player also got upset when he learned the GM listened to offers for him at the deadline last year.
Can some of you here stop believing that because JD supports Gase in front of the media is any fucking indication whatsoever of what is really going on behind the scenes. In public he is required to do so, like any good leader should. You don’t fuel controversy in public...ever. The putrid NY media purposely questions him over and over and over on the expectation that he will slip to create a shit storm and sell more trash. You never tell the media one ounce more than what they need to know. As for the fact that JD really is loyal and believes in Gase, well, that IMO is nothing more than a perception in some fans mind. He ain’t fucking blind, particularly to the fact that CJ needs to save face for that blatant fuck ups, plural.
