That is his biggest flaw for sure, the tapes don't lie. This team is in such a mess it's hard to place a finger on any one problem. But, you can't fire the players. Make the quickest most impactful change by dumping the coach. Even if it is a 'nobody' coach, something has to change. How many times is CJ going to put up with these embarrassing loses and shameful post game Gase interviews? He's lost respect of the fans and the sports media.
I'm not usually like this but I almost think the Jets should consider releasing Herndon. Or at least de-activating him for awhile. I'm not sure I can ever remember a guy that has his talent failing so many times over so many games and doing absolutely nothing to redeem himself. I'm not saying the Jets would be playing winning football but this guy is absolutely killing them. I thought Flacco actually did about all he could but just like Darnold you can't magically overcome Herndon clanks, consistent offensive line breakdowns, and receivers that can't get separation and then in addition to that can't catch the ball when you throw them nice passes anyway. Flacco threw two nice touchdowns on one drive and they both just went through the WR hands. One to Berrios and one to Jeff Smith. Smith had a pretty rough outing today too for that matter after looking decent last week.
Exactly! two TD passes...a QB can’t do more than out it in the receivers hands! CATCH THE FUCKING BALL I would sit Herndon he has more drops than catches ... and we all thought the TE position was solid...HAH. Jokes on us. Herndon sucks ass Smith is a practice squad guy berrios a nice slot change of pace guy... but these are our STARTERS it’s disgusting Flacco didn’t okay terrible s looked just as bad as Sams games it’s on coaching and it’s on piss poor talent across the board sad part is there is literally NOTHING to build on here...that other thread about who we should keep...I get that we can’t turn over everyone so many of these guys will obviously be back next year, but there is not one single position that doesn’t need improvement not a one
Other than Crowder the Jets WR's at this point are street meat. Crowder is a slot receiver. No QB or scheme could mask the Jets inadequacies at the WR position at this point.
Idzik has been gone for almost six years now. That's about twice the NFL lifespan of the average receiver. I believe that gets him off the hook. The brothers Johnson write the checks - I have seen no evidence that they have been otherwise involved in player hiring and firing. MacCagnan didn't trade the Jets best receiver and he's not the one who failed to replace him. MacCagnan is not the one who was driving the Free Agency bus the last two years. People need to stop living in the past and start blaming today's problems on those who get paid to fix them today. Even if it means giving up the false hope promised when the last change was made.
If Idzik had drafted even one or two top receivers - or top ANYONE - they would still be playing today, barring career-ending injury. Macc had even more chances to get a couple of quality players during his time here. And yes, Macc DID drive the "FA bus" two years ago, along with the draft he fucked up again. The Johnson's shipped Mevis out, and then realized that they made a mistake and had to overpay him to get him back. Then there was Fitzmagic, clearly ordering him to be re-signed way above his ability to deliver because they don't understand how to evaluate talent...which would be fine if they simply kept their mitts off things, but of course they don't. And no one's "living in the past" by acknowledging the effect of it on the present. "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it". George Santyana.
Sure, if Idzik had found a superstar who stayed healthy he might still be hanging around but how many of those guys have there ever been? We have guys every week who complain about Tanenbaum - that's not living in the past? For Idzik and MacCagnan, it's just a matter of how far in the past. I never saw anything solid that led me to believe that Woody Johnson was intimately involved in getting rid of Revis. I don't recall a single quote from him directly although there were others claiming he wanted to cash in on his value. Who knows? The bigger mistake may have been bringing him back and I'm not sure how much personal input Johnson had there either - it's not like he's been known to be in the office every day. He's no Jerry Jones. I see no evidence at all that Woody, Chris or anyone in the family ordered anyone to hire Fitzpatrick. These stories have a way of getting way ahead of themselves. I agree 100% that none of them are in a position to estimate talent but I believe they are well aware of that and leave it to the football people - they just have the wrong football people. Again, other than signing the checks I don't see their fingerprints anywhere. Douglas may have missed the early flurry of FA activity his first year but he was behind the wheel through training camp season and into the deadline, in November, I think. We can remember much more than we want but we're not the ones repeating anything, other than heartburn. I find no value in throwing stones backwards when the battle is ahead. And the question was strictly related to wide receivers, as was the post it responded to.
Well, lets see... The last GM basically went o-fer-the-draft over 5 years while trading away 3 high 2nd round picks to move up 3 slots in the draft to take one of about a half-dozen highly regarded QB prospects. You need to understand how bad the Jets talent evaluation and development was between 2010 and 2019 (Maccagnans last draft) to understand why the talent is so shredded right now. If Douglas had signed a half dozen top-tier free agents last spring and kept Jamal Adams the Jets talent base would still be below the level needed to compete at this point. It's easy to look at the lack of talent on the field and blame the guy who has had one draft and one free agency period to clean things up. However it's the guys who screwed up the last decade that are to blame for the problem.
Something smells terrible, and we are struggling finding out where it is really coming from. Injury up the ass, no one is shinning, no one is running, no one is catching. Herndon was so promising and is sucking shit, all JD WRs are on IR. Sam can’t do shit, Flacco can’t do shit. Defense is not far behind. OL is struggling. do we really think the first year for JD caused this or are we putrid at the Entire HC staff first and foremost. Other teams fire coaches for a lot less than this shit show yet we are focusing on JD. How about the cluster fuck the CJ created in 2019 with two of the stupidest moves on earth. That would be a massive start to understand the root cause of this problem. I’m becoming so fucking over this embarrassment and insult to every single Jet fan. Ownership needs to step down and let ownership that knows what it takes to win, not how to make money...take over.
The question regarding Douglas was directly related to wide receiver - no other position. No quarterbacks, no Adams. Here's what I responded to: "Other than Crowder the Jets WR's at this point are street meat. Crowder is a slot receiver. No QB or scheme could mask the Jets inadequacies at the WR position at this point." Douglas is the one who traded Anderson. Douglas is the one who did not backfill even though the position was already thin.
Maccagnan ran free agency for the Jets in 2019. The Jets fired him and hired Joe Douglas in the middle of May 2019 after free agency and the draft were in the books. Douglas has had one draft and one free agency period. None of the free agents that Maccagnan hired in 2019 are any good at this point. That makes Douglas the typical hire to try to fix a multiple year train wreck. Maybe he can do that given he has at least 2 years before he is on the hotseat. It's still a very tough row to hoe but some of the things he has tried, like trading down multiple times in the 2020 draft and trading his best player for a couple of future 1sts, are likely to pay dividends as early as 2021. He has a shot.
Yes. Just get a top OL and running game a watch how fast his footwork improves. A good D wouldn't hurt either lol This team is ass from top to bottom
Should have kept Fitz, McCown was trash, Geno as well! Let’s not talk petty! Watched Fitz today a bit, he can still fling it! Much better than Flacco at this point. And little bit more exciting. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
As I responded to Contrails above, "Douglas may have missed the early flurry of FA activity his first year but he was behind the wheel through training camp season and into the deadline, in November, I think." Remember Ryan Kalil? That wasn't MacCagnan. I have no argument at all with the rest of what you wrote - but we need to see the results before passing judgement. Once again, the post I responded to pointing at Douglas was regarding the current state of the receiver corps (or corpse, as the case might be.)
So I just got in an argument with my buddy. Does anyone have a link to a source from a highly respected NFL type that says Sam isn't that good or looks like the answer and the Jets should go for Trevor Lawrence at #1? Obviously I know this team is just total s*** but I don't see Sam as a top tier QB and want to start fresh. Any analysis to that effect out there?
We've got an o-line that can't block, WRs and TEs who can't get open or catch, and a head coach whose playcalling is abysmal. But people have the balls to blame the QB for all that. Ridiculous. Even the announcers today said that Sam is clearly a good QB. He's just surrounded by shit-tier talent.
