On the one hand, it's usually ridiculous to judge a GM this early in his tenure. But in this case, there are some disturbing signs that we shouldn't ignore: 1. His outspoken support for Gase even though Gase is almost certainly the worst coach in the league. 1a. That he even took this job and then listed Gase as one of the reasons he took it. 1b. So either he's a liar, or he has no idea how to evaluate coaching talent. 2. He's gotten into spats with multiple players, i.e. Adams and Osemele. 2a. Frankly, those players had a point. 3. He chose Breshad Perriman over Robby Anderson, which has backfired spectacularly. 3a. While he has improved the OL, his moves have been a mixed bag, and the improvement he's made there has been canceled out by his terrible moves with skill position players. 4. He talked the talk about building a winning culture, but this is the worst culture I've ever seen. Rex was a circus, and Bowles was a funeral, but this is actual hell. On the bright side, we have a lot of cap space and draft picks. Then again, it doesn't take a genius to pull that off, as Idzik demonstrated. Anyway, I hope Douglas is what he was cracked up to be, but I'm not encouraged by what I've seen so far. P.S. Football gods, if you're reading this thread, here's a golden opportunity for a reverse jinx. I'd appreciate it if we, let's say, win a Super Bowl with Douglas, and this thread turns into a TGG meme. Anyone out there? Anyone at all?
Football God here. Listen, Joe Douglas is a friken genius. Don't think about where he is now....think of where he's going to be in 2 years, the mid point of his 6 yr Jet contract. Joe will have more draft capital than any other GM in the league, by far. And that's before he trades Sam for a 2 and a 4 in the 2021 draft. Joe will have the most cap dollars to spend on as many shiny new toys he wants. Joe will have the best rookie QB to come out in a long, long time, on a new 5 yr rookie contract. Joe already has the best LT in football, and by yr 3 will have the best O-Line in football (to go along with his new QB). With all his draft capital, the #1 overall pick, and tons of cap space, Joe will have HIS PICK of any HC he thinks fits his mold. In short, Joe Douglas has life by the balls right now. He smiles when he sleeps.
I like these two posts back to back. I'm not a guy that looks for the quick hook on the GM or the head coach. I'm big into having a little bit of patience so the system can get installed, the culture can be built, the draft picks can pan out, etc. I was the same way with Idzik and Maccagnan in the beginning. Yet you see franchises turn around on a dime. From 2005-2016 the Rams were in football hell. They hire the right coach and draft a quarterback and the team is fixed and on its way to a SB rather quickly. 2003-2010 and 2014-2018 for the 49ers. They hired a GM and a coach and fixed their teams both times. The Bills have now righted the ship in front of our eyes very quickly and the Dolphins are on their way to doing it. I'm giving Douglas the benefit of the doubt for his shitty signings (Van Roten, Perriman for Anderson, cutting Winters, McGovern, etc.) if he fixes everything and has a dynamic off-season. But if he doesn't then I'm willing to throw him on the heap after the year. I'm also tired of these drafts that we have to wait and see about. We need 2-3 instant starters out of next year's draft. Not All-Pro players. Starters. Draft capital is useless if the guy needs two years before he can be your starting right guard.
It's tough to tell at this point what JD is capable of. Of course he was going to sing Gase's praises; you gotta toe the line at your new job; I don't know if he really believes that Gase is doing a good job; at least I hope he doesn't. In terms of productivity of his draft picks, Becton appears to be panning out, which means that we have a top notch player at one of the most important positions on offense. As for Mims, it's hard to tell since he's been hurt for so long. Plus, with as terribly coached as this team is, it's really hard to see how good any of the new players are. I do like that he's not just going with the best player available; I also like that he's not willing to overpay for veteran free agents. But on the other hand, it can't be denied that this team is either worse than last year, or that the tougher schedule is simply showing how bad they actually were last year. So whatever new talent Douglas has picked up clearly hasn't helped one bit. Whether that's on Gase or Douglas, I don't think we know yet. Second, we don't know yet whether Douglas is playing moneyball and looking for system players, is more worried about seeking low risk/high reward players for salary cap purposes, or is a terrible judge of talent. Next year, the Jets will hopefully have a new coach. We'll have to see what Douglas can do next year with all his draft capital. If he's all about finding "value" rather than addressing needs, that's no different than just drafting BPA for every pick, and he needs to go. But I think we need one more offseason to see what he can do.
Of course he's going to praise Gase. He doesn't have any authority over him, so it's definitely not worth it to publicly degrade him and sow more discord within the building. We've got to give Douglas more time. He comes highly recommended by seemingly all in the league and, while there isn't much to judge him on yet, I think the signs are largely encouraging (Becton has looked good, for example). But, if we chase off a highly regarded person out of the GM job two years into a 6 year deal, there's zero chance we'll be able to attract another quality candidate. There will be nobody worthwhile that will sign up for that.
Joe Douglas is a crap GM. And all of this offensive line genius is horse crap. The man SUCKED as an offensive lineman and couldn't even make the NFL he sucked so bad. Becton fell into his laps just as Sam, Jamal, Leonard fell into Macc's lap and what's pathetic is that in the deepest WR class ever he walks away with "DENZEL MIMS" and nothing else @ WR? That. Is. Pathetic. And last but not least both Robby Anderson and Jamal Adams were home grown talents who deserved long term contracts for our franchise and he completely removed both of our home grown gems. Criminal. He also destroyed Sam Darnold by giving him a 1st round bust WR in Perriman, not resigning Sam's favorite WR in Robby, only drafting Mims @ WR in a DEEP WR CLASS. ETC ETC. He's a freaking crap GM and his 2020 draft class looks like complete trash.
Agree with almost everything you said here. The only thing I have an issue with is the "Best Player Available," and normally I'd be right there with you on that. The issue now though is that no matter where on the field that BPA may be, the Jets need him - it's really that simple, so why not get the best guy available? Who should be exempt from that rule? Maybe Becton - if he can stay healthy (his minor shoulder issue may not be so minor), maybe Darnold - which is why he needs to show what he can do free of Gase, the sooner the better. Both kickers are serviceable - why create more openings? There really is not another guy who is too valuable to lose.
He’s a fat mess so he must suck no attention to detail - lol kidding let’s see who turns out right and wrong in 4 years save the thread
Do you realize how ridiculous some of what you put here really is? You're now trying to tell us that in order to be a good GM, being a good NFL player is a prerequisite? Same with a coach, I suppose? Coaches like Belicjick, Carroll and Parcells, I guess. Yup, Becton fell into his lap, but so would a handful of other picks if he traded it away. You'd be all over him for it if he took Wirfs instead, or traded for those picks.
Unfortunately we can't defer our decision on Douglas another year. Our options are either to clean house completely this offseason, which means firing Douglas as well as Gase, or let Douglas pick the new coach, in which case we have to keep Douglas for at least a couple more seasons after this one.
He's made our roster worse. Not better. Our culture is worse under JD than ever before. He's ruined Sam Darnold like not even Maccagnan could do. WTF has Joe Douglas EVER done to be considered GM worthy? Nothing. Because he's a 1st year GM and looking like absolute trash.
I don't know about that. Jed York chased off Jim Harbaugh even though Harbaugh was the best thing that happened to the 49ers in many years, and then he sacked Jim Tomsula after one season. Yet he still managed to snag John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan and nearly win a Super Bowl last year.
Don't forget the Jets cheerleaders. The Jets cheerleaders are the fattest in the league and that has a lot to do with why we're losing.
Not saying you are wrong at all, but there is no chance the Johnsons let Douglas walk with five years left on his contract. There's no way they're going to spend that much dead time to pay him. It's also why I think they won't fire Gase before the season is over. They have to pay Maccagnan and Bowles until the end of the year.
Don't try to change the subject. Why does a GM need to have excelled at playing the game? Just answer the question.
I don't think that John Lynch was a highly sought-after GM candidate when they hired him. He just happened to click with Shanahan, which, in addition to what I would assume was a great interview, is what got him the job. Douglas has been one of those guys we've heard about as one of the up-and-coming GM candidates after he worked in some successful franchises. That's not to say that he's going to turn out great, but if we chase off someone like that just over a year into a six year deal, then we've pretty much closed the door on getting someone like that to come in and take the job. We'll be stuck with trying to catch lightning in a bottle in the way the 49ers did with Lynch, and after seeing how poor the Johnson brothers are at identifying talent, I don't trust them to identify someone like that who can get the job done.
Douglas isn't going anywhere after this season, nor should he. It's ridiculous to even suggest that he should be fired following this season!
Sigh It's utterly sad and pathetic how impatient so many Jets fans are. They've totally lost any rationality, any objectivity. They just want everyone's head. Some of you act like you don't know squat about football. Your expectations are totally off base and unrealistic. I understand that you're frustrated, but some of you are being truly ridiculous and making asses out of yourselves.
