Adam Gase Thread (Merged)

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  1. Borat

    Borat Well-Known Member

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    Call it tanking or anything else, but basically what JD is doing is building core from draft and not willing to commit to anything long term until he feels the core is in place. Maybe with rare exceptions like a franchise QB. But even a guy like Adams, best at his position, wasn't the exception. When that happens, you obviously are not going to put the best team you can out there, so you will end up losing more games and getting better draft selection, which aligns nicely with the strategy of building via draft.

    I don't even think the guy will spend next year, given we do not have core in place yet. He will get a few more value pieces here and there, and with Mosley back, perhaps #1 overall this year, Gase gone, the team will be better, hopefully to the point were he feels we have the core in place and can spend for some players the following year. But I just don't feel that if we say finish 2-14 or 4-12, JD will be opening up his check book just yet. Hence we end up with better draft pick than we would if he spent, and so on until foundation is in place.
     
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    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    Correct.

    Tanking is a funner way of saying it though LOL!
     
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  3. JustinDaseezin

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    He throws slight jabs at Darnold in post game which is why in earlier in this thread I said Gase will bench Darnold before Week 6. With Flacco just coming back, my guess is he wants to get him some reps on the field. If with Flacco, he shows any type of offensive success, he can at the very least get another job next season... even if he's fired.This week is perfect to "rest" Darnold.
     
  4. Sack exchange

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    I have to say Manish makes good points in this article!!!! I don’t say that very often, but this is on point.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/...0201006-gkim7bn5c5ahlfnzmkc2kruax4-story.html

    This was especially insulting to me: 8) “I especially believe in Coach Gase,” Douglas said one month ago. “I feel like he is the right coach to lead this team… I feel really good about where we are with him and his leadership… Everything I’ve seen has been outstanding… We share a vision on what we want this team to look like.”

    If they share the same vision, both need to go!

    Just saying, because the vision now is a shitshow no fans want to watch!!!

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  5. Jerryjeudy

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    Very eye opening take
     
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  6. Borat

    Borat Well-Known Member

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    Look, a part of being GM is to have polished answers, even if they are not the truth. In other words GM needs to be able to BS too. Of course he has to say he believes in Gase, in players, wants to keep Adams for life, etc, because they are here. Imagine the outrage if he starts disparaging the coach and players, while they are still on the team. Heck, even when he fires Gase next year, he will express his immense gratitude for a terrific job done here. So he gives you BS, and you can swallow it if you want or look at actions, read between the lines, and judge for yourself.

    Manish's points are not valid. Adams was traded because he wanted a huge contract, and JD wanted to build core via draft before extending these contracts, and losing Adams allows to build through draft better by having own draft picks improve by losing more games without him in addition to a couple of Seattle ones. You think he would have traded away a proven guy who is top of his position in NFL, and if you have any redraft in hindsight would go top 5 or even 3 in pretty much every draft, for a couple of 30+ picks if his strategy was to win as many games as you can now? Of course not. If Jets ever become a contender, I see him actually trading for a guy like Adams and giving up some late first rounds, but at this point it's value players and draft picks, and no long term huge contracts without discount until the solid core is built via draft.

    JD is not going to tell you all this, he will BS that he believes in the team and coach he has now. That's just a part of being GM. Whether Manish likes it or not.
     
  7. Jonathan_Vilma

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    When you have hamstring injuries to both legs in your first pro training camp it says that you did not maintain your conditioning prior to camp.

    That's classic rookie yips.
     
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  9. The Dark Knight

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    Way too early for that. Now Gase? Yeah. He is not the guy.
     
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    When is it not "way too early"?

    He's in his third year. He has had PLENTY of time to fix the same dumb rookie mistakes he has been making his entire life.

    I am not ignoring the issues at offensive line and wide receiver. I am not ignoring the pitfalls of the head coaches he has had. But he is making stupid ass mistakes that are not a result of poor wide receiver talent or poor offensive line talent. He is making the EXACT SAME mistakes he was making at USC.
     
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    Hmm, we have a different meaning for yips here then, I would suggest that yips for a WR was dropping the ball, same as golfers getting the yips and missing 3ft putts etc.

    Having bad hamstrings also doesn't always mean you lack conditioning or a lot of these 100m sprinters are running in bad condition, how many of them have you seen pull up in a 100m sprint holding their hammy's? Plenty of them is the answer.

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    What does yips stand for?
    loss of fine motor skills

    The yips is the colloquial term for a sudden and unexplained loss of skills in experienced athletes. Some credit the yips to a loss of fine motor skills; others consider the condition to be primarily psychological. However, it is poorly understood and has no known treatment or therapy.

    Yips - Wikipedia
     
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  12. The Dark Knight

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    I'd like to see him with a new coaching staff and new weapons around him in 2021. If he flops then, it is time to move on. If the Jets end up with the #1 pick and take Lawrence that is fine, but otherwise Sam deserves another year.
     
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  13. Sack exchange

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    Better to say nothing! We know why Adams gone, he criticized the CEO, JD was told to trade him. He got good value, but Adams was top 5 pick and all-pro S, we got 2 picks around 30... not criticizing the move, but was not a steal. Gase, cmon, JD spewing such nonsense. If you want to say something, tone down the BS, I believe in my coach suffices. CJ’s rhetoric, genius offensive mind, over the top BS. I am fan of JD, but toning down the BS, would be good idea with fans, we see right through it. So far JD good and bad... some good moves, some not good.


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  14. Sack exchange

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    Flacco is playing, so if the offense looks good then all the Sam bashers can add fuel to fire. Otherwise they should just cut it. If I were to venture, we will look miserable. Even worse without Darnolld’s athleticism. We will see Gase is the issue.


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    he worked out for the combine and not the job
     
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  16. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Mariota and Jameis Winston are shining examples of why it's not always a coaching change that automatically fixes things. They both went through three coaches and are now on different teams as backups. Winston joined the 30/30 club (is he the only guy to ever do so?) while Mariota got benched and his team went on to make the playoffs.

    Maybe Darnold becomes Alex Smith with a new staff? Maybe he leaves and becomes a career backup.

    The franchise is going to have to decide if they want to bet on that or not.
     
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    It'll come down where we pick. I know 0-16 is on everyone's mind, but this team will find a way to win a few games. Some might come via forfeits.
     
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    Sam didn't play well under Bowles and he hasn't played well under Gase. I don't think we need a third coach to tell us how good he is.

    Another thing that goes unmentioned - Robby Anderson is lighting it up this year, so maybe Sam had better weapons than we thought last year. Good QB's elevate the WR's around them. At the very least, Sam is not that kind of QB. It's very hard to win with a QB that needs to be surrounded with weapons to succeed because it kills your cap surrounding him with high priced WR's.

    I'm sorry but Sam is just not good. Nearly every stat supports it. He's below league average in literally every relevant QB metric and he turns the ball over as much as anyone in the league. If we give him another year and pass up Lawrence and Sam doesn't play well, where does that leave us? Without a QB and having just passed on the best QB prospect in a decade.

    Do you consider Mitch Trubisky to be a franchise QB? What if I told you Sam has a 5% lower career completion percentage and has committed more turnovers in less games than Mitch?

    The time to give Sam leeway is over. 3 years is enough. Even if he has a great year next year that would put him at 3 bad years and 1 good year, and we have no basis for thinking he will make a leap next year considering he's been regressing so far this year.
     
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    yes he is. although George Blanda came close with 27 TDs and a whopping 42 INTs for the Oilers in 1962. Fran Tarkenton for Minny came close as well. 25/32
    (they had 14 game schedules)
     
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  20. K'OB

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    And we would be fucking dumb enough to accept them :(
     

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