I think we need an older guy to come in and make these pretenders grow up and earn their salaries. Not sure if this generation of players would respond to a disciplinarian, but this team just needs a kick in its collective ass and that's not possible with an introverted Vulcan HC.
Don't you think Zimmer is the guy to come in and bust some heads if that's the mold you're looking for? Disciplinarians work in the NFL if the teams win and they're not total dickheads. Introverted vulcan - are you referring to Zimmer or Gase?
Gase... Hiring a HC with a winning resume would be a welcome change for once. A HC that's bringing hell with him just might be what this young roster needs to get its head out of its ass.
Brian Daboll, OC in Buffalo. Look at what he's doing with Josh Allen. Daboll learned under Belichick for many years and he was QB coach here under Mangini. Plus he's a big bald dude like Douglas, so it works from consistency sake
The team needs someone with some credibility. A reputation. Kinda like when Kotite was replaced with the Tuna. It changed everything about this team. That's what is needed but I don't know if there is anyone like that available. Zimmer ain't that guy. John Harbaugh or Sean Payton are. But who knows if they would ever leave and it would require draft pick compensation like the Tuna did. I don't think the Johnson's have the balls or the affability to make a move like that anyway
That's already been discussed in this thread. Swinney probably has no interest in coaching in the NFL, nor should he. His approach would never fly in the NFL. He has it made at Clemson.
I don't know that he needs to be older, but I understand what you're saying, and I agree we need a HC that's a no-nonsense, disciplinarian, who will set high standards and insist that players meet those standards. That may be more easily found in an older coach, but older coaches aren't always so aggressive or creative, and may not have the physical and mental energy that it's going to take to turn the Jets around. I'd rather have someone younger that can coach the team for 20 years.
This makes a lot of sense. Even if this guy isn't the one to take the Jets to the Promised Land, he could come in and straighten out the football operations, instill a little discipline, and teach the players how a professional football team goes about its business. Maybe the idea would be to have this guy coach for a couple of years and then move into the front office. Going after the hot NFL coordinator or college coach is such a crapshoot, and the Jets' track record with that type of guy hasn't been too good. The team doesn't have the roster, the ownership or the culture to support a first-time head coach. What we don't want is another guy who focuses exclusively on one side of the ball. Let's have someone who coaches the entire team and oversees offense, defense and special teams, a CEO type. We also want a guy who is a flexible thinker. We've had enough of egocentric coaches trying to put square pegs into round holes with "my system." Good coaches adapt to the talent that they have. We also don't want to hear about the Trust Fund twits hiring a head-hunting firm or consulting with NFL elders. Let Douglas make the call. He's better equipped to make that decision than the Johnson Bros. and he won't be swayed by any phone calls from washed-up QBs/insurance commercial stars pushing for their buddies. If the Johnsons bypass Douglas and make the decision themselves, the prognosis is not good, just more meddling by wannabes. Also, any candidate who has ever been called a "genius" should be immediately disqualified.
I think Payton will retire from NO. Why should he leave there? He has a great GM and a great set up. I don't think Harbaugh would come to the Jets without having complete control, and I would never agree to that. If he would and would be willing to work with Douglas, then fine. I agree that whoever it is needs some credibility, respect. I like Arthur Smith and Brian Daboll, but don't know that either would command the respect immediately, but there are different ways of garnering others respect. If the HC knows what he's doing, works the team hard, and can relate to the players, players can and do respect those types. I think they especially respect the coaches who adapt their systems to fit their players' strengths and who are positive and show confidence in their players. I believe that coaches like Gase who try to fit square pegs into round holes and who refuse to adapt their systems lose their players pretty quickly, because the players know that they can't do what Gase expects them to do.
Why doesn't Zimmer have that credibility though? He's 19 games over .500 and supposedly pretty well liked and his teams have an identity. He took Case Keenum to 13-3 and a game within the SB. He stuck Everson Griffen & Hunter inside as 3T against the Saints last year and stonewalled that offense. Not saying you're wrong - Payton + Harbaugh are obviously the winning options if available.
No hot shot “flavor of the month” coordinators PLEASE. 1.Sean Payton 2. Mike Zimmer 3.Greg Roman 4.Eric Bienemy
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. I understand where you're coming from and respect that. I wouldn't have a problem if any of these guys were the new HC, but I'd also be excited if the new HC were Arthur Smith or Brian Daboll. They might not prove to be great HCs, but I believe that they'd get the offense in the 21st century and playing up to its potential, and if anyone can fix Sam, it would be one of those two or Lincoln Riley.
Roman has been a name to watch for quite sometime & been a highly respected coordinator for a decade. Bienemy has been ascending for acouple yrs now & has become a big voice in KC.He was also a very well respected player which i think does have its advantages. I’m referring to the guys who are only being considered bc theyre young & are starting to become successful coordinators on decent teams. I want somebody who has worked their way up,has good body of work,has proven to have leadership skills & possibly could be an even better HC than coordinator
Bienemy, Daboll & Arthur Smith should be the leading candidates with the interview process the determining factor.
HELL NO!!! He hasn't done jack shit with all the talent he's had there. Why would we want to repeat the mistake of hiring a HC that was just fired and hasn't had time to reflect on where he went wrong, what his mistakes were, and rehab his image? That would be so Jets like. I can't believe that you or anyone would even consider that dumbass.
A. He hasn't done much with a much more talented roster than the Jets have had. B. I'm going to pass on wanting any HC who was fired without them first going back a step to a coordinator's job to "reflect" on his mistakes.
You guys should look at Brian Daboll, OC with the bills. He’s worked under Belichick, Saban and McDermott, so he’s seen how to run a successful organization. He is responsible for the development of both Tua at Alabama and Josh Allen in Buffalo. I also believe he was born and raised in NYS if I’m not mistaken.
