True, but I was thinking it may be tough to learn a new offense mid-season. Better than Gase's though. Yeah, it is truly unfortunate. I don't want to be here, but it is reality!
I don’t know if this has been said in the 200+ pages so imma say it: Gase may actually be a good coach, but he’s not the right fit for Darnold and it’s making them both look bad. It may just come down to management style. Gase to me strikes me as a guy that would thrive with an A1 team. In corporate it would be a manager that can shoot the shit with the guys, enhance what it is they do. Someone like Peyton Manning would thrive under him and he did, because he only enhanced what was there. That doesn’t seem to be working with Sam. A prime example would be that hot mic moment from last season: Gase: Hey bud, what’s the matter? Darnold: I don’t know! It’s like I’m seeing ghosts. Gase: .......*walks away* I think people were too focused on what Darnold said and not focused enough on Gase’s reaction. He probably didn’t know how to react to that because, he’s not used to that. Someone said in the game thread, “notice how nobody is ever on the sideline talking to Darnold?” This is very true, I saw Frank Gore do it once. I haven’t seen anyone with Darnold since....well Josh McCown. I thought Darnold was a better QB when McCown was there and they really should’ve made him the QB coach or somebody....anybody should be over there talking to Sam. My point here is Gase’s style isn’t the right fit for Darnold or the Jets. Plug him into a system where there is already a great QB and he’d probably thrive. Plug him into a system he has to make himself and he’ll fail. It’s like that really good worker that gets promoted to management and suddenly sucks, because they suck at getting the best out of people that need actual management...which would be the Jets. He has to go, but I don’t think it’s because he’s inherently bad, he’s just not right for what we have.
Some of you points interesting, but results are results, not just here but in Miami as well, maybe an oc. But not head coach! Doesn’t have the skill set. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Then do you think a good, but anti-social, coach would hire a QB coach to work with the quarterback every day and be with him when he's on the bench between series? What the hell kind of style is that?
This isn't something I want because I can't wait for Gase to be fired, but as long as I remain detached, not watching/listening to any games, I think I can make it through the end of the season with Gase overseeing a winless or 1 win season. UGH! That said, I'd prefer he be fired RIGHT NOW! so that it at least dispels my fear that the Johnson Clowns won't hang onto him under their delusion that "he's where football is going".
Has to go! If he by some miracle he won a few games, we are straight to poop hole 6-10 draft pick, and still need to fire him. All young players will be toxic for next coach. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No, Gase isn't a good HC...I don't think he's a good coach at any level. ANYONE can "coach" someone who doesn't need coaching. Gase might be a good analyst, someone who works with numbers and stats and digests them and then gives them to someone to do something with, but that's about all I see him good for...maybe. Frankly I hope he just sits home,retired, living off his wealth since by his own words he's "rich as fuck".
I'm coming around to the idea of keeping Gase for the season to ensure the tank gets us that #1 spot. Sure if he stays then he's doing permenant/further damage to 'x', 'y' or 'z' but aside from Q, Bec and Maye there might not be any other players on this team who you would want to see staying on into the following years.
It’s a style... I’m absolutely not defending him here. It’s possible that he’s antisocial and a control freak, which to me...fits, what he’s been doing. It may be more complicated than he sucks, that’s all I’m saying, he’s just not right for us.
It was clear he wasn't right for us when he was hired right after the Dolphins fired him. But ownership was sold because a HOF QB gave a glowing recommendation.
We look like we don’t know what we are doing anyways, 80 TD run 17 seconds into game, allow 1st down on 3rd and 31, majority 3 and outs, can’t get D off field on 3rd down and long, improvising almost every play due to pass rush, doesn’t seem the team even knows assignments and schemes! From naked eye, do we even have a plan! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Like we all know AG is a failure. What is the most galling thing for me to digest is his utter lack of ability to coach Sam. AS another poster pointed out, SAM comes back to the bench to NO ONE. NO one is coaching him, helping him,,,, he is fking 23 years old and frankly needs guidance and advise. he may not be the answer but dam he was better at the end of his rookie year then now. As for Mr. Gase, he is clueless. His latest response to questions is just a repeat of the same pathetic "no nothing answers', i.e., we need to execute, need to get better, need to look at the tape and the BEST, NEED TO TALK TO SAM AND SEE WHAT HE WAS THINKING. Think about that, it confirms my statement above and by his own admission is an indictment of his poor coaching ability and record.
I think Gase I playing hard ass with him, like punishment. Ridiculous. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I hear you. I think it’s more complicated than that though. That’s why I’m comparing him to a manager that can enhance someone that is already good. There’s a nuance there that is more than anyone can look good with a good QB. I remember back when we had Joe Morton as OC, someone posted an article about Sam not taking notes and it freaked Joe Morton out. I can relate to this because, I’m like that. I don’t take notes during meetings and have gotten shit for it. When really, I internalize what is being said and I ask questions when something doesn’t make sense to me and if it doesn’t I won’t do it. It sounds strange to some people, but to me...it’s stranger to see people write everything down and not understand anything, which I’ve seen a lot over the years. So back to Sam, if he’s anything like that, someone like Gase wouldn’t be a good fit because he won’t explain in a way that would make Sam execute. It could be that he’s talking over sam’s head, it could be a lot of things that we’ll never know because we’re not there. I think it’s more than he’s not a good HC, some people thrive in an environment where someone is up their ass all the time, some people don’t. Some managers are the type that are up your ass all the time. Someone like Peyton Manning wouldn’t need that. Some managers tell you to do something once and expect it to get done, how you do it is up to you. That’s how Gase strikes me, his schemes may be too complicated with very little explanation. So while Sam may not need someone up his ass, someone that says do A and then goes away may not be right either. If you look at all of the miscues and mistakes, that’s what I think is happening. He’s saying do A....A’s not happening....why isn’t A happening...it’s as simple as do A. No adjustments and if there are, it’s dumbed down and detrimental, ie bubble screens and draws. Ok...calling him a good coach might’ve been a little hyperbolic, but I think he has a style that just doesn’t suit Sam or the Jets.
I can appreciate your attempt to see some good in someone who by the most obvious measures has nothing to recommend him. I myself usually try to do that, sometimes if for no other reason than to be a "devil's advocate" to get people to look at the whole picture. I actually tried giving Gase the benefit of the doubt after it was clear he was the HC for the time being, and especially after he had a hand in getting Macc fired, but by the 3rd game last year I knew my first instincts were right about him: he's a shitty coach, Head, assistant, or otherwise. He may well be brilliant, but so was Rain Man and I wouldn't want him as a coach! His best career move would be to become a TV/internet analyst...at least then we could ignore him.
You must be thinking of Bates. He never had Morton as an OC. But while we're at it - I liked Morton. The team offensive rankings aren't good for the year (granted we lost McCown at the end of the year for god awful Petty), but I at least felt like we moved the ball that year and the offense wasn't super predictable.
I hate to hear that!!! You have been the most positive, optimistic poster, and I hate to see your spirit crushed, but I understand it. It's happened to all of us who have been here since the '60s or '70s. Hang in there. Better days may be ahead.
