Rosen went for a late 2 (62nd overall) and showed absolutely nothing. I think a team like Indy, Pitt, or SF would throw a late 2 at Sam and see if they can get something out of him. Way to many people in the league with better eyes than anyone on this board still think Sam has the talent to play and be that FQB. I don't think a 2 is out of question.
what was traded to get him is a sunk cost - doesn’t matter in your decision now. We’d get a first for Darnold - he’s the same age (maybe younger then Barrow). He is talented - the Jets (Gase) just sh*t the bed in his development. Whatever team gets him will get a good QB. We just have a mismatch on our timeline vs his payscale. again - you only trade him if you’re getting a bonafide prospective star QB (e.g., Lawrence). If he turns things around this year and looks the part - you keep him (and trade the #1 for a kings ransom.). For me - if you can get Lawrence - you run to the podium and not sweat what you’ll get for Sam (it’ll be decent)
Yeah, a redemption win over the Bills in the re-match would be great too. At least a really good performance from Sam. Erase that Week 1 nightmare.
Exactly. And the reason why it should happen. Gase should've been let go in January. But we're stuck with him. After the Denver game mini bye. Fire him. Hire Brant Boyer. We've seen Williams. Special teams has been great under Boyer. Give him a shot. Maybe we get lucky and he's a head coach. Let Jim Bob Cooter unleash Sam. Throw the ball downfield. Who cares. At 0-4 change it up. If he becomes Winston it's a lost season anyway. Have fun. No matter what get rid of Gase.
I like benigno his constant bros are often the only thing I can come up with myself after watching the stupidity of this team.
That mini-bye week is the perfect time to do it. If they don't do it then, it will either be at the bye week when we get Miami - bye week - Miami or the end of the season. God I don't know if I can make it that long..
I definitely can't watch him anymore. He is not a leader and just gives up. It's sad that we're stuck with this have to watch it and everyone but the owner and gm at this point are willing to acknowledge it. The team has given up on him. I believe once he leaves we'll see better play.
Even a 2-digit IQ of an owner could fathom that what's happened since Darnold was drafted is professional malfeasance, and a failure from the top down as you say. The fact that CJ doesn't understand this might be the most depressing aspect of this team right now.
Exactly this. Darnold has shown a propensity to make at least 1 terrible decision per game. He was a very good prospect that had an incredible rose bowl against penn state, but wasn't spectacular other than that one game. He was good, but not his mechanics were never great. He can make throws from ridiculous angles and off his back foot, but that also can lead to more mistakes and inaccurate throws. If you can get Trevor Lawrence, you do it and don't look back. He is the best prospect coming out since Andrew Luck. That's not saying he will be the best qb in the league, but he is a better prospect than sam darnold ever was.
youre missing the point. If we end up with the 1 pick then this season would have been a complete disaster. Coach gets fired and now we have to decide whether or not to give Sam a big extension. Fuck that. We are still revuilding so we take Trevor to reset teh clock on having to pay for QB
I am rooting for them to win against the Colts but dammit if we look bad again then I hope we get blown out by Bortles on prime time tv. It would really put the exclamation point on how bad this situation is.
I think the jury should still be out on Gase. We don't have the raw talent to inflict our will on defenses (like when we had CM and the best oline we could run the ball down any team's throats). We don't have that now. Gase has an offense that has to beat a defense at it's own game. Gase's offense is complex...every players changes what they do based on what the defense is throwing at them. When the entire offense is on the same page and it clicks, it's almost unstoppable. Like our scripted drives last season....Gase ran those plays with all the hooks over and over in practice, then set them loose. But once he goes off script and starts calling plays, it seems like half the team has no clue what to do....at least with the finer elements of the plays. And having no name WRs who can't buy separation doesn't help. IDN. This reminds me of Shotty's style offense. Lots of moving parts. Takes a lot of time to get it all down. And you need good players to pull it all off. If we just don't/can't get the good players, then maybe we DO need a simpler HC who just smashes the rock with a handful of simple plays.
Curtis Martin? Dude I'd settle for Bilal Powell like production at this point. No offense but you throw out some wildly far off hypotheticals like in another thread where you mentioned Quinnen Williams in the same breath as Aaron Donald. I'm not trying to single you out but those are far off comparisons. Gase's offense could be more complex than Bill Walsh's. It really makes no difference. It's wildly ineffective and produces little results. That's all that matters. He will never, ever come close to sniffing another HC job again in the NFL when he gets canned here. He is the problem.
Stopped reading after the first sentence. He has ranked 30th - 32nd every single year as a Coach without Peyton. Just stop it.
I guess we're saying the same thing. Gase DOES run a very complex offense...tons of moving parts every play. BUT without the talent to execute, it's all for nothing. We either need a shit ton of good players to run gase's complex offense, or we need a new HC. And I never compared Q to A. I used Arron (who plays the same position as Q) as an example of how dominating and disruptive an interior pass rush can be, for ppl who ONLY see edge pressure as valuable.
If you read what you wrote about Gase and his offense you would would realize the jury is IN and we're all just waiting for the judge (the Johnson Clowns) to validate the verdict. Any GOOD HC will adjust his playbook and what he wants to do based upon the players he has, not the ones he wishes he had, stubbornly refusing to acknowledge reality. If the players on the Jets can't grasp and/or execute Gases' "genius offense", then as the HC it's up to him to figure what his players CAN do and plan accordingly. That he continues to refuse to do this speaks to his massive ego and arrogance. He is the worst kind of HC imaginable, and that Chris and Woody can't see that only proves we have the worst ownership imaginable.
I can't get on you too bad for this...yes, a 'good HC' will make adjustment based on the players he has. But what 'adjustments' would you recommend? Throwing to WR#2 who can't get separation b/c WR#1 can't get separation? Using 37yr old RB b/c your future hall of famer RB can't make more than 3.2 yrds per carry? Just curious what plays you would change based on THIS roster. And don't just say 'Well, a good HC would figure it out'. Give me some examples. The 4th and 1 is a good example, give me some more. Don't be shy....let it rip!
Sorry to disappoint you but I'm not in a position to give you specific plays...I don't know the players strengths and weaknesses, and I'm not a HC. That said, 4th and 1? Why not a QB sneak, or frankly any play that doesn't require a lot of build up behind the line that allows the defense to stuff it when the RB finally gets to the LOS? How about trying to figure out how to use an All Pro RB? How about trying to use two TEs? How about trying to use 2 RBs? How about putting Darnold in motion more often since he's much better on the move than he is in the pocket? How about using plays that exploit the weakness of a defense? Are these concepts really too hard for an "offensive genius" to grasp?
It’s really on Gase to adjust his offenses and he’s not doing that. He is famous for being stubborn. It now seems like if they can’t execute on his plans then he just lays down and loses. Adaptability is an important skill in the NFL, you can’t just script 60 plays and expect it to work. Every team in the league has injuries. Saquon is down, McCaffrey is down, both offenses run through those elite players. Last year multiple teams lost their starting QBs and STILL looked better than us. I don’t see how we can only judge a coach when everyone or almost everyone is healthy. This is football after all. Regardless of who is playing receiver Darnold has been making dumb mistakes that I have seen since year 1. Gase is also not playing to his strengths either. He was supposed to be improving Sam, which was his priority #1 when getting here and he has failed in that regard. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I would argue that you can only really judge a HC when he has to deal with adversity. And on that measure Gase is a massive failure.
