Let's see Allen put up great sack numbers while not being blessed enough to play opposite of Yannick Ngakoue for an entire season. That, Josh Allen has never done. I wanted Allen coming out. But he looks awful right now.
One of the best rookies in the league last year. Fact. You don't pick and choose who you play with. He had a sack last night. That is not awful by any measure. Quinnen was awful all of last year. I'd still take Allen at this point. Like I said Quinnen has catching up to do.
His sack was the equivalent of the Strahan-Favre sack where Fitzmagic ate it to roll the clock on a bootleg. It counts but it wasn't any sort of great play. He was unblocked. He got pushed around last night by a rookie tackle whose biggest question mark was if he was too soft to play in the league. It's fair to say we should not overreact to a couple games. It's also fair to say we shouldn't overreact to one season. Williams looks like the much better player this year than #41 does.
Another thing to remember is pressure up the middle leads to a lot of TFL, which is the same as a sack. Q had 2 sacks and 2 TFL (AND forced a fumble). I don't know too many edge rushers that get multiple sacks AND TFL in the same game. But again, lets see how far Q can go!
Kris Jenkins was unbelievable in 2008. The big man's body just couldn't handle it anymore. Numbers will never truly show how important a play like that is to put a team in 2nd and 14
Allen better than QW at this point in their careers. Hopefully Quinnen keeps it up for the majority of 16 games this year. If he does and Allen falls off I'll be the first to give Quinnen the nod.
I did. I like Q and think hes going to be a very good player. He finally had a very good game, but that doesnt make him better than Allen. 2,3,4 years from now we will have a clear indication of who is the better player. I was Pro Q before the draft and a Jets fan so I hope Q proves to be far better.
People on both sides have made good points today. Part of the point I was wanting to make, that I hope doesn't get lost, is that if Allen was taken by the Jets last season would he have made an impact like he did with the Jags pro bowl DL. Now we can see him in the same type of front 7 he would have been playing in with us last season. Its not all about who is better this year. Its about "would Allen have been the right pick for the Jets going forward last year"? This season will tell us a lot about that.
We gotta remember that Q is in what would be his Junior year in college. He is 21 and starting in the NFL. That is amazing for a DT. In three seasons he will be experienced, fully filled out, and only 24 years old. I'm not saying he couldn't flake out or that the Jets couldn't bust him up. But the potential upside he brings to our future is sizable.
And the fact that people are so overwhelmingly frustrated with this franchise that everyone sucks if they aren't who they wanted or an All-Pro immediately. Our history of picking defensive tackles that end up being Quinton Coples is also probably what forces people to not analyze the player in a vacuum and automatically gets grouped together with every other failed Jets pick. I think the frustrating part for me is when folks act like he wasn't a phenomenal prospect and try to look to use his rookie season against him as a college player. You can't do that. He was the second best player on the #2 team in the country.
Fair enough, but what I saw yesterday against a fairly average OL did not give me a very strong feeling about Allen. We will have to see, but too late now. Q and Sam are the last two pieces that God forbid, if they fail to meet expectations, will crown Mac as the worst GM and personnel evaluator in the history of the Jets/Titan franchise.
The issue isn't whether Q is better than Allen, it's was Q the right pick? Did we REALLY, REALLY NEED another DT? Was he ever going to make the impact that we did need? I'm not saying we don't need the best players we can get at every position, but not every position is as important as the next/ Moreover, that can change year to year, based upon need. What we needed MORE than a DT was an offensive skill player or an OL or an Edge. And just because Q's predicted value (BPA) was higher in some people's judgment doesn't mean he was the best pick given the Jets needs. Picking QW at #3 was flat out the wrong pick.
No, but what offensive player would you have preferred? One of the guards or Garrett Bradbury? We unfortunately ended up with a top 5 pick in desperate need of offense in a draft completely devoid of any skill position talent. Hockenson was the highest skill position player and he looks like Dustin Keller lite.
Apparently there was no trade back option. Even Maccagnan's dumb ass reportedly tried to do so. If Quinnen Williams becomes a Pro Bowl player, you still would've done so?
Yes, based on what was known at that time. No way to know for sure what QW would become. And I don't think Maccagnan knew how to do anything right, let along evaluate talent or engineer draft trades. I think he failed to develop relationships with other GMs and they took advantage of him. Just because he couldn't get decent value (in his opinion) for the pick doesn't mean no one could have. Under the circumstances trading back was the better option than taking yet another DT.
DK Metcalf was worthy of a 1st rd pick who inexplicably fell to end of 2nd round. Not saying he should’ve been the pick at 3 although if he was it wouldn’t be looking that bad but a smart GM should’ve been able to move down from 3 and pick up DK with another player. I do believe Mac got offers for the 3rd pick just none he deemed worthy to move down off what he considered a sure thing in Quinnen. Oh well what’s done is done, hopefully JD does a better job building around Lawrence than Mac did Darnold, if they do indeed have the 1st pick.
I understand why teams stayed away from Metcalf though. 67 career catches (65 in two years starting) and a season ending neck injury before he came out. Stephen Hill had 39 less career receiving yards. Do you know how badly that pick would've been trashed around here?
This happened. And it happened quite a lot more than the stat sheet shows. I remember a few times where he pushed the center backwards over the QB, and somebody else got credited with the sack because KJ never touched him.
