Adam Gase Thread (Merged)

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  1. rammagen

    rammagen Well-Known Member

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    Again Money does strange things and makes strange bed fellows. if you had a chance to make a few million for being a back up when there was limited offers what would you do? Also where there is smoke there is fire if it was one player yeah maybe you are right when there are multiple players then there needs to be some questions about the guy as a coach mentally. Yesterday showed he was stumped again when trying to adjust.
    I am not basing this on yesterdays game alone, so lets throw out the fact the last 5 yrs where the his offensives have been in the bottom 5 of the league. I am not basing this on one game unfortunately I am basing this on the fact the offensive guru is a failure at the one thing he was hired to do for 4 yrs running. He has regressed and yesterday was a an example of everything that went wrong last yr. Nothing looks like it was corrected.
    Poor clock management
    poor play calling
    poor decision making
    all things if you think about it might have been corrected with some focus and actual I don't coaching. 2 of those items are directly on him.
    Personally I would think I would have coached to this one game and getting plays and game plan based on last yrs bills team. But instead this team looked ill prepared on the offensive side of the ball again.
     
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  2. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    He actually wasn't stumped when it came to adjustments. The correct adjustments were made and we moved the ball in the second half. The turnover by Herndon killed any sort of comeback.

    The problem was we came out flat as fuck, we couldn't buy a first down and the opening game plan on both sides of the ball was awful.

    1) The defense looked shocked that Josh Allen was going to try to run the ball. Awful contain by the defensive ends (why is Kyle Phillips being used as an edge defender anyway?), and terrible tackling.
    2) Josh Allen struggles throwing the ball deep. So we played our corners 15 yards off and gave him everything in his sweet throwing spots? Mind blowing.
    3) Why did we try to use long developing outside zone running plays against a defense that has linebacker speed to the edge? They should've ran inside zone and ran right at those linebackers, not away from them.
    4) Get Sam some easy completions early!! It drives me nuts. The Rams ran a clinic on how to get a QB into a rhythm yesterday. Their average pass traveled 2.2 yards in the first half and they were down by 1 at half time. Gase must use the flats and underneath throws. It was a huge hole in the game plan yesterday against corners that attack the ball when it's in the air.

    If the Jets score on the drive that Herndon fumbles (Field Goal OR touchdown) it's a one possession game. We were on our own 46. We need 25 yards to be in field goal range and ran the ball twice for 12 yards and a first down on that drive already with gut runs (adjustment made).

    Don't get me wrong - no one deserves a pass yesterday. But blame the opening game plan and a team that looked ill prepared, not the in-game adjustments.
     
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  3. rammagen

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    the in game adjustments did not work did they? we can agree to disagree but if you adjust in game when you had a whole offseason to plan for the first game and came out with the same mistakes again and again that is on Gase and no one else.
    Yes he should have gotten Sam easy passes to get a rhythm, they came out bad the bills looked like they knew what we were going to run again gase,
    Yes they played off the ball but they did that last yr but last yr they blitzed Adam this yr they dont have the talent on the blitz to constantly cover up that weakness
    I agree they should have ran inside or right at Hughs as an example to at least slow the pass rush
    We should have signed clowney one player at the edge could have helped with covering up the lack if rush and tackling, instead they did not sign anyone of note and the defense slide backwards, no starting inside linebackers, poor game playing I can go one.
    Make williams the head coach at least the players will play hard for him and he puts players into position to make the plays where as gase does not do that enough.
     
  4. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Did the team play better as the game went on or not? There were adjustments made, it was just too little too late because the opening game plan was awful and the whole team was flat.

    Of course that's on coaching. The coaching was pitiful yesterday as was the execution. But we got our doors blown off and had a chance to bring the game within 4 points or 1 score before an awful fumble on first down. I mean that speaks to the fact that there were adjustments.

    I'm with criticizing the coaching, effort, gameplans, execution, etc. from yesterday. But let's make sure we criticize the right things.
     
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    Great post. It’s usually the other way around with Gase from what I remember of last year. Successful scripted drive then nothing.
     
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  7. rammagen

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    what you are not taken into account is the defense changed in the second half the bills changed schemes so of course they gave more yardage in exchange for eating up the clock. Coverages changed so the Jets did move the ball but was that Gase or the Bills? So the question is moot really The bills changed schemes to a degree.

    The jets did not move the ball until they went into a 2 minute drill even the td pass in the second half was more a factor of luck, coverage was there, 2 good blocks and 1 missed tackle by the linebacker. Give Crowder credit hell give the play call credit but also say the missed tackle had a big say in that play. Same way we say the fumble by Herndon was factor so was this. We are lucky we did not lose by more.
    Any way you cut it the Offensive game plan was questionable at best, this team had resources in cap space to use to get or at least try to fill positions of need. they could have signed Clowney for 15 million would he have helped the offense no but he would have filled the role outside pass rusher, they could have made a play on better receivers like Sanu to at least get Sam better help. Would he have helped maybe not but he would at least give the Jets another target with experience.
    after the first drive it was clear Receivers were not getting separation forcing throws into tight windows, that should have been addressed with different routes or cluster sets to help confuse the defense on coverage for a second or two to help the qb get a bigger window to throw into.
    Any way you want to cut it Gase failed this team again and most of us all agree on that. hen his post game where he said we failed differently then last yr is joke we still failed and there is no progress with Sam. Some people are not head coaches and Gase is one of those people.

    Execution and game planning puts players into position to make the play on defense there was definitely a lack of that, but on the flip side the offense was crappy until the bills changed schemes and took their foot off the gas.
     
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  8. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Dude. They were in danger of being in a one score game. This wasn't a 35-7 game where they played cover 4 the entire second half. And let us dink and dunk down the field.

    We were outcoached and outplayed. But it wasn't a 41-10 (2018 - Week 10) dumpster fire where Matt Barley kicked our nuts in. We did some things OK as the game settled in.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Vilma it was bad, it wasn't a close game.

    The Jets got lucky that Allen fumbled twice in the red zone and their kicker missed 2 easy ones (actually he only missed 1, the other was a lucky missed call). One of the Jets TDs was a garbage TD at the end. It could've easily been a 47-10 loss and that would've reflected more how the game went.

    They doubled the Jets in yardage, 1st downs, and time of possession, as well. This game was a blow out
     
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  10. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    It was certainly ugly, but I've seen worse. So have you.

    If we get our shit kicked in next week I imagine there will be billboards.
     
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  11. GasedAndConfused

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    were playing the niners. they are a better team then the bills and much better then us
     
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  12. jilozzo

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    for our NY market....to have abbott and costello on the sidelines is just not going to get it done.

    the powers at be may give the jets a slight pass this year due to the backdrop but if the jets don't clean house by next year (minus the gm) it will be a joke, again.
     
  13. K'OB

    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    He needs sacking asap.

    I had decided to give him a chance this season and see what would transpire but really do we need to see any more from him?

    QB whisperer lol whispering death more like.
     
  14. barfolomew

    barfolomew Well-Known Member

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    Tbh if we continue like this as a franchise i wouldn't be surprised if the league tries to get us to move cities or something drastic like that to jumpstart this never ending failure.
     
  15. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    That doesn't happen. The Lions and Browns have been in the gutter for decades and they haven't stepped in. The Bengals too in the 90s and early 2000's. As long as teams are holding up their end of producing revenue the league could care less.
     
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    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    Couldn't :rolleyes::oops::p
     
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    CotcheryFan 2018 ROTY Poster Award Winner

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    It's amazing how often could is used instead of couldn't. The former means one does care to an extent while the latter means one doesn't care at all.
     
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  18. ColoradoContrails

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    It's a fair point - suggesting that criticism should be aimed at the right issues - but it's hairsplitting. The bottom line is that Gase is a poor HC. It's clear from his record, as well as from yesterday, that he's in over his head. MAYBE he could be an okay OC, but I frankly doubt that. In any case, he's not a good HC regardless of where you want to focus the criticism. The sooner the Jets fire him, the faster they can begin to build a winning team.

    As to who they should hire, I don't know. IDK who would be available, but I can tell you that whoever it is, he needs to be an offensive-minded coach, with HC experience, preferably in the NFL, but running a major college program would indicate he can handle big responsibilities.

    And while Gase should've been fired already, I really don't think they'll fire him yet (unless they already have his replacement lined up). It would be an admission of massive failure, and reek of panic. For those reasons, we fans are just going to have to endure watching him make a further mess of things, and retard Darnold's development (among others). If anyone believes that the "light bulb" is finally going to go on for Gase, you're hopelessly delusional.
     
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  19. ouchy

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    I keep trying to cut Gase some slack but he is horrible. I blame everything that went wrong yesterday on him. This was not a team that was prepared to play a professional game. It looked like a first preseason game...on our side.

    We could fire him right now and not get any worse.

    We could promote a ball boy to offensive coordinator and still do as well.

    I cant for the life of me see a single positive Gase brings to the team. Nothing....Nada.

    Fire him now. Like, right now!

    It might actually unite the locker room.
     
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  20. WoodyHarrelson

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    The tipping point will be a mediocre Broncos team for 0-4 on Thursday night.
     

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