Players MAY work out 365 days a year, but a strict 2 month training regimen (and more importantly for these guys, diet) can make a huge difference.
this is a great discussion. I think the key point about that is being missed here is his record developing young talent. I liked Herm's integrity and thought he was a good motivator, but he was partial to the vets, to a fault. People blamed Bradway for the drafts, but some credit for lack of player development goes to the coaching staff as well. With Mangini this year, everyone has a shot, so you're seeing guys like Robertson, Cotchery, Houston, and Askew finally start to play to their potential and in some cases, beyond what we thought their potential was. You also see rookies being developed in the course of a season, with Drew Coleman, Schlegal, Wallace Wright, and Eric Smith now on the active roster. However you feel about Herm and his record, his failure to develop talent, thereby eroding depth in future years, is his strongest indictment.
Injuries that require season ending surgery and whole offseasons for rehab? I don't think so. You're not being a pansy for not playing on a knee that you still can't run on a year after getting hurt. Or a QB not playing with a messed up throwing arm.
Camp is meaningless according to you. Therefore, all injuries are fluke. Staying healthy is pure luck.
I couldn't agree more, Herm would have guys like Houston, Schlegal, and Eric Smith buried in the depth chart. The kind of development Mangini is working in right now will pay serious dividends in the next couple of seasons, and he didn't have to sacrifice this season to do it.
Meanwhile Curtis still isn't playing to this day and Chad re-injured himself last year. You have to hold a pretty strong bias if you think last year's coaches are blameless in that.
You're assuming that it will pay dividends. We'll see. With the turnover in the NFL, these playes are much more likely to benefit other teams. How many players has Herm buried on the bench that have gone elsewhere and been great? Lamont? Yeah, he's showing lots in Oakland. He's showing that Herm was right and the fans were wrong.
I think in Martin's case, Age is to blame. With Chad, it was a second fluke fall. According to your logic Payton in NO is an idiot for letting Brees play this year? No, they have a better line than we ever have.
All the Lamont thing is proof the raiders have an awful offense. Stack the line to stop Jordan because Brooks and Walter scare nobody. Dare I say Herm>Shell?
Did you see Chad's throws last year? They looked horrible. I haven't seen a lot of the Saints but from what I've seen, Brees looks nothing like Chad did last year. If anything, he seems to be throwing the ball better than he has in the past Chad was clearly not ready to go, and you could see it in his throws. But I see where this is going, you're right, it was all just luck. Chad was really 100%, it's just bad luck. :up:
He probably wasn't 100%, but when the doctor tells you he isn't anymore likely to reinjure himself than a normal player, and he is your best option, you have to play him. After all, he was the 64 million dollar man.
OK so you're basically saying that where ever Herm coaches people tend to get hurt a lot? Could it be his Cabana Boy TCs?
Also, Herm likes to play the same style of football no matter the opponent. I like that under Mangini we prepare a little more specifically for each opponent. Changing personnel to better suit the opponent gives everyone on our roster the chance. At this pace the Jets should be a very well rounded team for years to come.
The Jets have lost players too. The argument was injuries. Every team has injuries. His teams tend to have more. That's the problem with Herm teams, there's always an excuse as to why they aren't performing. And the blind follow him after what....3? 4? playoff wins in 5 years?
