Injury Report/Practice

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  1. K'OB

    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    I think we can guess which
     
  2. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    The first one for sure but the second is also true at this point. It’s just a matter of which did us in this time.
     
  3. NCJetsfan

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    Since the Jets face the Bills 2x a year, why wouldn't Greg Williams run this in practice so the offense could get used to it? That makes no sense to me.
     
  4. twown

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    NC, you're making it sound simpler than it is. You can't just "run it." It's a defensive system you have to install and train your players to understand. We only have so many practices to learn our own systems and plays.
     
  5. Jedi mind tricks

    Jedi mind tricks Well-Known Member

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    Has Ryan Griffin been practicing?
     
  6. Theyre likely isnt time like usual to show different looks for the other sides benefit.

    Quarters is a Rex staple..others like the Bills use it alot.Man coverage teams like to use it in 3rd & long. GW is more short/medium zone based w the top of his D(safety) dropping deeper than usual.Hed be more apt to use cover 2 or cover 3 in 3rd & long.

    Hopefullly the scout team this week provides enough of a look for Sam to get some useful perspective
     
  7. NCJetsfan

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    If that's the case, how is it that the scout team is able to run opponents' offenses so the D can practice?
     
  8. twown

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    Well first, I'm not an expert. (None of us are. That's why we should probably give NFL staffs some benefit of the doubt when reports out of camp about preparation "make no sense" to us.)

    But to explain what I mean: we usually hear about scout teams simulating the look of another team's unorthodox skill player or offensive system. A dynamic running QB. A wildcat. A five-wide no-huddle. A scout team can simulate these looks without much trouble. Just learn a few formations and plays and run them as well as you can. This lets the defense acclimate to what they're going to see on Sunday.

    On the other hand, how do you train -- in three day's time, usually -- a scout-team defense to react like another team's defense?

    To me this feels way more complex. You can certainly make it look right pre-snap. But once the ball is snapped, the coverages will break down because they don't know what to do. They haven't practiced it. So trying to practice AGAINST it is not really helpful prep.

    Anyway, again, I'm no expert. Maybe I'm wrong. This just feels logical to me.
     
  9. NCJetsfan

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    First of all, I appreciate your responses. This is an interesting discussion to me. I get what you're saying. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that it would be easier to simulate another team's D than it would be their offense. It seems to me that in terms of the scout team simulating the other team's D, it's more about refreshing the offensive players' memories with regards to reading the D and what their responsibilities are, than it is knowing exactly how the opposing team will react. Of course they don't know exactly how the D is going to react, but the same can be said for the D practicing versus the scout team offense. They don't know what plays the opposing offense is going to call, or if the opposing QB will audible out of a play when he sees the coverage/defensive alignment. Again, I think it's more about reminding players of what their responsibilities are when the opposing offense lines up in certain formation.

    Just as a D couldn't install and thoroughly learn an opposing team's D to simulate it, the offense can't either. Both units are too busy practicing their own systems, but that's why one has a practice squad and depth so that they can simulate what their upcoming opponents do. With all the film they have, they can ascertain tendencies of what the other teams do, and then practice how they plan to attack certain formations and coverages.
     
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    Buffalo offense probably hasn't practiced against Gregg Williams' myriad of defensive looks either.....
     
  11. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Seems logical to me. Also - quarters defense isn't really a mystery. The Bills don't run a lot of smoke and mirrors. They zero blitz a lot or rush four and sit back and generate front four pressure (hopefully).

    They have a lot of flexibility because both the linebackers they keep on the field in their nickel sets can cover, blitz and stop the run.
     
  12. JetsAreBadForYourHealth

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    We're the Jets. Can probably say goodbye to Mims and Maye for a few weeks. Great job only taking 1 WR in such a WR rich draft...and ending up with one who already have nagging injuries. Maye has been an injury headache from day one. And we desperately needed receivers back then too...but of course we go safety/safety rounds 1 and 2. Who needs Curtis Samuel, Dalvin Cook, and Smith-Schuster?
     
  13. JetsAreBadForYourHealth

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    Allen will make his usual mistakes but our D is not holding Buffalo to 17 points or less. Our offense is in for a long long day
     
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    Maye has played in every game in 2 out 3 years since entering the NFL. I do agree that taking safeties with the first 2 picks in 2017 was not smart.
     
  15. JetsAreBadForYourHealth

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    You're right. Somehow I thought he was more injury plagued...I do think a lot of those games he was compromised with something nagging here and there. He seems to always have something
     
  16. ConcordeChops

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    I think we can probably hold the Bills to 17. They can definitely hold us to zero.
     
  17. K'OB

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    From day1?

    He played every game of his first season and every game of the third season.

    What would you have thought of Dalvin Cooks injury record, Samuel also ended up on IR?
     
  18. JetsAreBadForYourHealth

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    I would've hated it too. But at least with these two (Cook especially) you get offensive production (something we desperately need) when they play.
     
  19. LAJet

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    I feel like shit for Mims at this point, I have nothing but high hopes for him. I suspect he is trying ultra hard to get back in with the starters, and may be pushing it a bit much too soon. I might be all wet but I see an issue that goes beyond the player, and where the trainers and the staff need to step in, spend quality time with him and teach the youngster how to better read what his body is telling him, understand his flexibility / tightness, help him to stretch properly, and slowly phase him back in. He went from one hamstring to the next leg hamstring which is worrisome to me and might indicate he is over extending or his technique is pretty aggressive and his muscles too tight to respond accordingly. I'm basing it on my own experience in soccer so I might be dead wrong but very upset that Mims keeps getting hit which such set backs.
     
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  20. sec314

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    At this point all we can hope for is the NFL to shutdown due to the spread of Covid and have another off season with Joe D. so we don't have to field this shit team. Friggin injuries, lack of talent with starting 11 and depth bums me out thinking about playing the Bill and then the 49'ers, We won't make it out of September fellas.
     

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