First off he did choose, he could have signed him after they signed Ellis. Secondly, the deal was lowballing Abe and he knew he wouldn't take it if by chance he did we get him cheaper but the chances are he wasn't going to take the deal. At Ellis' rate which was far below that of a premiere pass rusher.
I was commenting on the line from the article that stated that he drafted 9 starters. After 5 years of drafting, only getting 9 starters doesn't impress me all that much. I wasn't talking about FA or backups because that was not what was written. I like him as a scout, he is a great evaluator of talent. But I don't think he was a very good GM. I do think it would be a loss to the organization to let him leave for the Giants, good scouts are hard to come by.
Without question not getting THIS deal done was good for the team. Sometimes it's not the deals you make, it's the deals you pass on. The deal Abraham wanted was absurd. Franchising him was the wise choice and eventrually led to his departure and our acquisition of Mangold.
He chose to sign him, now we can argue on whether the offer was lowball or not that's beside the point. The offer was made and Abe rejected it. Now you are trying to argue "Bradway knew he would reject the proposal" and that's why it was made? Where are you pulling this information from, I'd love to know? Did Bradway also want Coles out and that was why he offered him a measly 6 million in guaranteed money? Come on now.
I think he meant 9 current starters. Players he drafted that started for us: Moss, Mckenzie, Reed, thomas, mcGraw, Baker, Robertson, Hobson, Vilma, Coleman, Cotchery, jones, Nugent, Rhodes, houston plus we had players start games here and there like Brooks, Askew, Strait, Goodwin. From '01-'05 he drafted 15 startes of 38 picks(39%), from '97-'99 Parcells drafted 31 players and chose 6 starters(19%). Ecen if you add in groh's '00 draft that's 11 starters in 39 picks(28%).
and he still had a chance to sign him after that and chose not to. he was BEGINNING negotiations w/ Coles, the offer would have went to around 10 but snyder swooped in and blew the offer out of the water and he had no choice but to let him go.
Fellas, there's not a thing in the world wrong with a GM making "a choice" to offer a player what he thinks he's worth and then letting him walk if the deal is not accepted. I think arguing over Junc's semantics misses the point because, of course he "chose" to do what he did, just as Woody chose to offer Herm what he offered him and no more, and then "chose" to let the door hit Herm in the ass on his way out. The bottom line is (and put another way), he didn't cave in to Abraham's demands and instead Tagged him, which was a good choice given the fact that Abraham was injury-prone, was asking way too much and had other issues too numerous to mention but not limited to an insatiable desire to be hand-held and coddled to.
Again you're choosing to go with half truths. Yes Bradway refused to sign Abe after the idiot started pushing for a Javon Kearse like deal. But Bradway was more than willing to sign him for a hefty price even then, either way the issue was decided by Abraham and not Bradway. To hear Coles tell it it was a slap in the face and was the biggest factor for why contract negotiations deteriorated before free agency began. The entire situation was so poorly handled by Bradway it's not even worth discussing. Yes Synder swooped in, but it was only after Bradway turned the entire thing into a fiasco.
I agree, it's just annoying to see junc take that road when he obviously just mis-spoke and should have left it at that.
he never gave a serious offer to Abe, never gave into his demands. he chose not to re-sign him. As for Coles, he was a jerk. That offer was a start in negotiations and he didn't see it that way but he came crawling back 2 years later when he saw what things were like in DC.
Well, it looks as though the Bradway controversy will never die. I just thought the article in the Ledger was interesting because of the possible Giants connection and Acorsi's departure. If the Giants pick up Bradway as their next GM (I highly doubt that) it won't be that significant a loss to the Jets. All our deals go through Tannenbaum anyway and Mangini has a strong say in what goes on.
Any team who needs a new GM and doesn't have Ron Wolf's name mentioned above Terry Bradway, will be interviewing yet another GM before they win a championship. Bradway can be build a competitive NFL team, but not a championship team. There's a huge difference.
I know what the writer meant, and I was commenting on what he wrote. And I stand by what I said. After 5 years of drafts, the Jets only ending up with 9 starters on the starting line up, is not good. And there is something to be said for "quality" starters, Jones, Askew, Goodwin, Strait, Bollinger, McGraw are not exactly quality starters. Granted the 9 starters he drafted and we are left with are quality, but that is not exactly leaving an organization in great shape. I just don't think he was a good GM and makes a better scout. But I do think the Jets losing him as a scout would be a bad thing. I was commenting on the writer's comment and stating my view on it. Why you feel the need to be confrontational with everyone that says the SLIGHTEST thing against Bradway/Herm is beyond me. It is almost like a crusade. I wasn't even being all that negative. Relax a little, it's all good :grin:
That wasn't a debacle, unless you consider getting Rhodes, Houston, and Nugent out of that trade a "debacle".
The draft was good that year. Like I said, Bradway was good at drafting. Trading a first rounder for Jolley, which was a terrible idea at the time and even worse in hindsight, had nothing to do with the later picks of Rhodes, Houston, and Nuge.
The picks the Jets received in that trade from Oakland were used to draft Rhodes, Houston, and Nugent.
How do people still not know this stuff? How did this myth get started that the Jets traded their first rounder for Jolley and nothing else?
I see, but I think 9 starters left after another regime came in and cleaned house isn't too bad. Granted he was here five years, so he should have somebody still here, but 9 out of 22 isn't bad, and that's just the ones he drafted. You guys don't like when we bring up the past but it is relevant in the sense of having perspective of what's good, bad and horrendous. We've seen what bad GMs looked like, Bradway wasn't bad. Not great but certainly not bad.
