Ashtyn Davis vs Marcus Maye

Maye should be the undisputed FS in my eyes
Adams should be resigned - alot on here rave about Gregg Williams so why take away his all Pro DB and upset him
Davis will be used as Nickelback and on special teams IMO
Going forward if Davis lives up to expectations then finding a way to keep him and Maye will be a priority unless Davis excels and Maye regresses
It's a good problem to have

 

I am intrigued in terms of how much money Maye would get in an open market. He's a solid FS, but I can't see any team breaking the bank for him.

 

If a player can be portrayed as a marginal star in the NFL - a guy significantly better than the average bear but not yet a pro bowler - an agent will find a way to get a mediocre team to pay top dollar for his services.

Marcus Maye is to free safeties today what Calvin Pace was to defensive ends in 2006. His agent, like Paces, will find somebody out there willing to pay Maye in the top 4 or 5 FS salaries when he goes free. A particularly good agency would find Maye the top FS salary with a little hard work and some creative imagery.

The thing to remember is that free agency is a sucker's game for the teams involved. They get to pay money and cap space for a little bit of notoriety and their GM gets to put his mark on the team without going through the anxiety of a draft pick that might bust.

For mediocre teams that's enough. A little marketing, a GM's ego stroked and anxiety reduced, most often not a terrible downturn in the team's fortunes even if there won't be a big upswing either. It's easy to get suckered in and do this year after year until you become a bad team and then adding free agents doesn't even help any more because you're a bad team.

We have obvious examples of this close to home however the Washington Redskins are the poster boy here.

 

I would pay 7m max but looking at this site it would make him the 16th best paid safety and tbh that is also a worry for what Adams is going to ask for.

Adams currently just 5m and Maye currently 1.9m

https://overthecap.com/position/safety/

 

You'd hope if the the team turns the corner and the players are happy then pay Adams the big bucks and hopefully the other 2 would take team friendly contracts
Doesn't always work i.e. greedy agents but I believe it's the right way to build a successful franchise and alot of players understand this I think

 

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if he gets the Jordan Jenkins response in FA, asking for too much on the open market. He's 27 years old as well.

 

Yeah I look at Kenny Vaccaro and thats a contract, I would look to give Maye somewhere along those lines I suppose. But Maye looks to be the odd man out.

 

Is Maye better than the 16th best safety in the NFL? I don't know, but if he is, then he should be getting paid more than that in his 2nd contract.

 

And that, imo would have been stupid.

 

We can't pay both Maye and Adams. The cap doesn't allow it. We drafted a safety to restructure the secondary after this year. Whether that's a setup for Adams or Maye to leave remains to be seen. Davis seems like a better fit for Maye's spot but he could also suck.

I know they both do more than the stats can tell. But they still only have six interceptions in three years combined. Maye has really bad ball skills for a safety that's always in great position and rarely gets burned. It's a tough thing to work on.

I have to believe that there's a better chance we re-sign Maye to a team friendly contracts and move Adams after the year for a bevy of picks. Joe D. doesn't seem like the type of guy that's wants to pay anyone but maybe the QB and a left tackle a top 5 positional salary. And likely rightfully so.

 

I think it is more likely we sign Adams long term and get rid of Maye. Maye has had a history of injury and is nowhere near the caliber of player Adams is. Adams is a once in a generation talent at safety. Something Joe D can build around on defense.

In my eyes, Maye is gone and Adams stays. The Davis pick always made we wonder which would fall. I think it will be Maye

 

But don't forget that you need to factor in that Maye will likely be half the cost for an arguably equally as important piece (the cog that doesn't allow big plays). And also factor in team construction.

Maye reminds me a lot of Devin McCourty. He just has worse ball skills but he allows the Jets to play a defense that forces teams to have 10, 12 play drives and keeps them away from the 4 plays 75 yard drives.

If he had better ball skills he'd be a top 5 free safety IMO.

 

Maye was injured his 2nd season in the NFL and missed much of it. Neither injury was career threatening. His rookie season, he played 95% of the snaps, and this past season, he played 99% of the snaps. That's hardly an injury history.

 

One of the more interesting draft selections this year, Ashtyn Davis represents a unique player opportunity. My suspicion is that Marcus Maye is not actively on the trade block. He will likely garner a 3rd round comp pick, and what could you get for him higher than that? He’s a solid player but I tend to think a 3rd is his maximum value. Retaining Maye allows Ashtyn Davis to be cycled into the defense at a good pace, and it will also allow some fascinating Nickel and Dime looks. While the Jets may not have excellent CB’s they could potentially have the best Dime secondary in the league this year. You could run dime with a funky 4-1-6 package that would have team’s heads spinning. Imagine this in passing situations:

DL-Jordan Jenkins, Nathan Shepherd, Quinnen Williams, Jabari Zuniga

LB- CJ Mosley

DB-Blessuan Austin, Ashtyn Davis, Marcus Maye, Jamal Adams, Brian Poole, Pierre Desir

That would be pretty cool to see. Unique coverage ability, plus Adams can do anything a LB could do. It’s a combined 4-1-6 and 4-2-5.

 

If he is and wants to be paid like he is then he will be playing for somebody else while getting it, no way the Jets will shell out over 22m on safety contracts.

I don't know if he is the 16th best safety, I don't watch other teams tbh just highlights at best, but at the end of the day, it is what he thinks he is that will decide negotiations either way.

 

I have to imagine that there is very little point in trading Maye at this point. If we dealt him for a second or a third in this draft then it would've made sense. You're right though in that he represents a 3rd round comp pick so his value on the field this year is likely greater than a future high 3rd (which would just a trade up for his comp value).

I also don't see teams cutting as many players to trust mid round rookies to the shutdown circumstances. Teams will likely have no OTA's and possibly even an abridged preseason or camp. Depth is going to be so important because I imagine the league will keep players that test positive for COVID-19 out for about a month even if they show no symptoms.

This is not the year to dump you're depth. Which is why I'm glad we went all in on a bunch of offensive lineman rather than the big bang signings of one or two 'superstars.'

But for that reason, I think Maye and Adams are on the opening day roster.

 

Exactly, and Davis will likely be a full time starter in 2021. This is how good franchises create pipelines.

 

In 2018, he injured his foot and missed the first 3 games. He returned then hurt his thumb missing another game. He returned then hurt his shoulder and was placed on the IR.

At the beginning of 2019 he was on the active/physically unable to perform list prior to training camp and missed team drills and some of training camp activities.

Yes, he played all of last season, but he definitely has a history of injuries in a short 3 year NFL career, so far.

 

I think that’s the default ending.
If Davis looks good in camp they shop maye in camp
If the jets look bad as the deadline approached they try to move him then.

if the jets are in contention and Davis doesn’t look ready they settle for the comp pick..