That's cool. I wanted Jerry Jeudy too. We get to watch the next five years to see if the right pick was made.
I don't thin most here "undervalued" Jeudy, they just valued a top OT more. What if JD had actually taken Jeudy, and then was only able to add a mediocre OT or maybe no OT that would have a decent chance of starting any time soon? Is that what you would've preferred? WHat it boiled down to was Douglas realized he could add a stud OT and probably a damn good WR OR he could add a stud WR and mediocre OT at best. I think he did the right thing, even though I would've loved getting Jeudy. The reality is that it's easier to get really good WRs than it is to get really good OTs.
Let me clear up a few things before the conspiracy theories get even more out of control I’ve been a Jets fan for nearly 40 years I never missed a single game between the ages of 6 and 18 Only when I went to college did I start missing games, because at that time the internet was too slow and nobody was streaming games — I went to college in 1993 Though I’ve read this board off and on for the past 10+ years and am pretty familiar with many of the frequent posters, I’ve never posted until now I watch a lot of game tape, especially at the WR position, which we all know has been a real weakness of Jets scouts and GMs I hated the Keyshawn pick because I looked past his stats and saw that he was too slow to be drafted #1 overall — I thought he was a very average route runner as well As a result, I thought he would never become an elite receiver because of an inability to consistently achieve separation against more athletic NFL corners and would always fall short of his perceived potential At that time, a very close friend of mine who was and still is as much a football expert as anybody else I know, disagreed with me and thought Keyshawn would be a star I always believed Chrebet was a better receiver for the Jets, and not just because he had better hands and was more of a team player He was simply better because he was more consistently open due to an ability to separate more quickly and consistently from CBs and developed better chemistry with Jet QBs because he ran more precise routes and was generally where the QB expected him to be I noticed pretty quickly that plays designed for Keyshawn seemed to result far more often in Jet QBs getting hit — either sacked or more often hit on or just after the release of the ball Even though Keyshawn’s stats were usually “pretty good”, I felt that it came at the expense of other receivers, but even more importantly, came at the expense of the QB’s health I always believed that if Keyshawn hadn't been drafted #1 overall and instead had been picked in the 3rd round, that he would not have remained a starting WR on the Jets for anywhere near as long as he did Between his #1 overall draft status and his strong personality, I felt he placed a lot of pressure on the Jets organization, coaches and QBs to thrown him “the damn ball”, and those factors, moreso than his playing ability, were why he was able to string together a pretty decent career stats-wise Despite his stats, I always felt he was making the Jets worse, particularly putting extra strain on the OL and QB It was almost as if his presence on the field, particularly when the play call was designed for him, made the OL perform worse, because they were required to hold their blocks longer in order for him to get open Combined with extra hits the QB would take, I began to view his impact on the Jets offense not purely due to his receiving (and blocking skills), but also by his impact on the OL and QB — to me, he became the equivalent of a lousy pass-protecting offensive lineman — so in combination with his skills as a WR, I realized that his value as a player was a lot lower than one would traditionally expect just by looking at stats And IPP was born as a WR stat in my mind With this new perspective, I began to evaluate all WRs and pretty soon came to the realization that IPP wasn’t just a valid metric when it came to understanding why Keyshawn was a far lesser player than his stats would suggest, but that it had applications to all WRs The Pats are a great example of a team that has always taken IPP into account when evaluating receivers (trades and free agency, too), and are one of the major reasons (there are many others of course) why Brady was so successful In contrast, the Jets kept drafting WRs with terrible IPP metrics and putting their QBs and OL under tremendous strain and injury risk High IPP scores for a WR improve both QB and OL play WRs aren’t merely ball catchers and occasional run-blockers, they have an unheralded impact on pass protection efficiency and OL performance
Is there any doubt this dude is DWC? Same format, talking about length of fandom, etc. If not him maybe his uncle?
All our WRs could have great IPP but it wouldn't matter. Gase would send them all deep when the defense blitzes 9 guys.
What you've done here is made a very strong case for a new metric in evaluating WRs. Perhaps Douglas and other GMs have something like this, but if they don;t they should...it makes sense. But that said, it doesn't make the argument for taking a WR over an OT when your OL was probably the very worst in all of the NFL last season. Nor does it change the fact that it's easier to obtain good WRs than good OTs. None of this is to say that most of us would've loved to get Jeudy or Lamb, but the cost - or "opportunity cost" as Maximus D163 put it - was prohbitive: it meant not being able to get a stud OT, whereas taking Becton enabled him to get a stud WR. Hopefully he can either add another stud WR via FA or trade, or get one (or two) next draft. I completely get Kurt's concern, and share it to some degree. This franchise has not yet proven that they value offence - and especially skill positions - to trust that they actually will work at significantly improving this area, but when I weigh it all out, I still come down in favor of taking Becton first.
There are undoubtedly a multitude of reasons why I tend to be much more of an observer rather than a participant on message boards such as this one Unlike many people my age, I’m also not an active participant in any form of social media, either, so it’s a generalizable trait I doubt anybody is really interested in me expounding any further on this topic and I certainly have no interest in doing so A shorter way of answering your question... maybe it took me so long to post and become an interacting member of this forum... because of people like you feeling perfectly entitled to ask me such a ridiculous question Frankly, I find it pretty pathetic
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I won’t doubt your math, because I don’t see any evidence of mathematical ability to evaluate, but your detective skills with respect to this particular instance are certainly subpar
Sounds like the meme of the day It’s brilliant and catchy I think I might even be starting to like it
You are a bright guy and I’ve always enjoyed your posts Crowder has the highest IPP on the Jets by a pretty wide margin It’s generally easier for a slot receiver to achieve a higher score in IPP than an outside receiver, so to reliably compare slot guys to outside WRs using the IPP metric requires an adjustment factor I view Jeudy as a WR who can absolutely demolish CBs in the slot, but also somebody who can take his talents outside and be nearly as good He’s a one-of-a-kind WR in my book, so I can’t find a great comparison for him I don’t see him as being that similar to Amari Cooper, who seems to be the most frequent comparator I view him as a slightly less athletic version of Beckham mixed with a WR in the Welker “mold” He has a rare combination of athleticism, rhythm, fluidity and coordination that is difficult to measure with conventional tests and drills, mixed with a technical wizardry that is more often seen in cornerbacks like Revis He has better game speed than his 40 would suggest And he absolutely loves his craft while also being a great team player I think within 4-5 games into the season, many are going to be wondering why he fell so far in the draft If you compare his tape to the other WRs in this draft, the separation he is able to regularly achieve, often (but not always) against the opposing team’s top cover corner, is shocking He is able to get himself wide open seemingly at will He’s got ankle-breaking ability without the ball in his hands I think he has a legit chance to be amongst the top 3 in receptions year in and year out, even if he isn’t catching balls from Drew Brees I thought he would have been the perfect fit for a talented young QB like Darnold, who has unfortunately gotten used to shoddy pass protection and crummy receivers Becton was a great pick, I’m not saying Douglas screwed up I just think Jeudy is going to be an all-time great and thought Darnold would benefit more from throwing to and being protected by Jeudy than being protected by Becton Becton is obviously a huge plus in the run game as well But from the standpoint of maximizing Darnold’s talents while protecting him, I’d give the edge to Jeudy There will be more LTs in next year’s draft, free agency and the draft after that Maybe not at Becton’s size, and maybe not with Becton’s ceiling, but there will be some pretty good LTs available, assuming the Jets are drafting in the top 12 again next year However, I don’t think we will have a chance to draft somebody on the level of Jerry Jeudy again I think he is going to be that good
Gase is garbage Peyton liked him because he was able to control Gase Gase knew he was inferior to Peyton in terms of football knowledge and game-planning, so Peyton got to do whatever he wanted to do and in return, Gase loved it because he benefited from riding Peyton’s coattails all the way to multiple head coaching jobs
On this we can agree entirely. In fact, it's a valid question whether Jeudy could've reached his potential playing under Gase, as no one I've seen so far has done so.
One last Gase comment....if 2020 don't go the way Joe D thinks is should, I get the feeling JD won't have any second thoughts kicking gase to the curb. He already strikes me as a GM who has his shit together and won't fuck around with a HC who can't get his guys ready to play, especially the guys Joe drafts. Friendship got nothing to do with it.
I still can’t believe Jets won 7 games last year under Gase Gregg Williams did an incredible job The thing about Gase is that he isn’t totally useless like Kotite He shows some flashes here and there, but is just wildly inconsistent You just don’t get the feeling he is capable of any sort of lasting positive consistency It feels like he simply doesn’t have the really high-level understanding of the game required for a coach to be a consistent winner Most mediocre coaches are like Gase On a good day, sometimes you feel like he could be the answer The problem is that he can only coach at that level for a few games out of the season
