Um. You haven't really paid attention to any of the predraft huh? Ruggs has non of the measurables. He's too short and has tiny hands. He is smart and a good route runner, but Jeudy maybe better in that category. Lamb is the right size, can get the jump balls, and is a YAC machine. Jeudy is the best route runner of the bunch. Rugg has speed.. he can jump but he is short with no reach due to tiny arms and hands. So absolutely not right on any of that. I'm not saying Ruggs is bad. I think all 3 have a lot of potential. But Ruggs will be taken after Lamb and Jeudy most likely. All 3 could be great. To me Jeudy is like Larry Fitzgerald, Lamb more of AJ Green, and Ruggs could be Tyreek Hill or a faster Wes Welker depending how he translates. All would be good but Ruggs could just be good not great.
Ruggs blows them away as far as raw athletic #’s - 4.27 ‘40, 42” vertical, 130” broad - all much better than either. As far as tiny hands - Ruggs 10 1/8” hands are huge. Jeudy’s has 9 1/5” and Lamb has 9 1/4”. I’m not necessarily saying I like Ruggs more, I’m just saying he is far more likely to move up and get selected in the top 10 due to his freakish speed/explosion. Also Jeudy and Lamb have great tape, but so do a lot of other guys who tested as well or better this year. I think Jeudy is the best pure WR in this draft.
First off Ruggs did well at the combine. This type of thing happens every year. Someone blows up the combine and get selected high and 90% of the time they fail in the nfl. Tape is absolutely the most important part of things. Watching back through and seeing his ability, what he can do. The other 2 are better here. Also his personality is a big thing. Does he love football. Does he do dumb stuff. Here I think Ruggs checks out but the others do too. Ruggs also is very short with tiny arms. 30 4/8-inch arms. Lamb 32.25. Jeudy the same. Most people still have both Lamb and Jeudy rated over Ruggs for the right reasons. And some Vernon Gholston combine work out hasn't changed that. Athletes get in the best shape they can for the combine. The tape tells the truth.
Ruggs sounds a lot more articulate and comes cross better in interviews than Jeudy imo. Jeudy sounds almost exactly like Robbie Anderson. Ruggs has said him and the other Alabama WR’s get along well, but they all agree he’s the alpha. Their style of offense didn’t dictate him getting the ball as much, but the pro game might be a different story. He’s not lacking confidence for sure and is the best athlete at WR in this draft with the highest ceiling. No one is arguing that point. He’s just riskier in some people’s opinion. Jeudy is a safe pick + will likely be a good pro, but he’s not Julio Jones (size or speed) or Odell (3.93 vs 4.53 shuttle) athletically, and he’s not Rice or Fitzgerald upstairs... Again, I love both Jeudy and Lamb on tape... but they are not specimens/freaks... Ruggs is a freak (like Hill)...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...rospectpro-comparisons-for-top-wide-receivers He wasn't the alpha. They designed plays to get him open.not a do anything guy. And not catching passes in traffic. He relies solely on his speed. If he's double teamed or has a cb that can keep up he isn't catching anything. Watch the tape they either scheme him open or he out runs the cb. NFL cbs will play a lot faster. Not saying he is bad. But not a number 1 that will get 50/50 balls like you want. You need to pair him with a big receiver to take pressure off him.
Yes Ruggs has good-sized hands, but they won't do him a lot of good imo due to his lack of height, short arms and short catch radius. His vertical leap will definitely help, and he is faster than Jeudy or Lamb, but at best, I see him as only a #2 WR or slot receiver, and he could wind up being only a deep threat if he doesn't get drafted by the right team. Yes, a lot of the WR prospects in this draft have great tape, and that's why we should definitely draft two, but there's a very good reason why Lamb and Jeudy are rated as the top 2 WRs.
That dude can run routes, I don't think he's better then Cooper coming out, but he's a very good talent. You want a receiver that can come in and win against press coverage or find the soft spot in zone coverage, Jeudy on tape was the only one to exhibit that at a high level consistently. Lamb showed me some good tape against LSU, so I think he will be a stud coming in as well.
Ruggs is a beast once he has the ball. The problem is that he catches like middle school TE-- shoulders square to the ball, hands together at the numbers to trap the ball against his chest/belly. Even when he beats his coverage, he turns all the way around to catch it like that. That's what I see on film, anyway. If the guy can't catch over his shoulder or collect a contested pass, he won't be much use to us. I'm not saying he can't, just that I have not seen it. If you have, please let me know where.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/pff/0ap3000001108488/PFF-Why-Ruggs-III-has-edge-over-Jeudy-Lamb I was first on the Lamb bandwagon, then moved to Jeudy and this video sort depicts why I’ve come around to Ruggs. With that said, I’m taking one of the 4 OT’s at 11 if available.
IMO only 3 of the OTs are worth it at 11 and Douglas maybe more critical than me. If the ones he likes are gone you take a WR unless someone offers you a good deal to trade back.
They are predicting 8 OT’s to go in round 1. If we dont pick one at 11, then we wont get a starting caliber OT in rd. 2. So its really either take an OT at 11, if all 4 are gone, then you try to trade down to pick# 15-25... But even there your probably looking at OT #5-8. I’ve done a ton of mocks simulations. You can get a solid WR in rd. 2 - pick 48... Also, realize it’s easier to find a good WR... OT is a premium position in the NFL, no team is giving one away + you typically don’t find them after round 1. They say this is a rare OT draft class.
Who is predicting 8 OTs will go in the 1st round??? I'm not doubting you, but I'd like to know what the source was for that was. Was it one person or numerous? I wouldn't be shocked, but I don't really believe it, either. Wirfs, Becton, Thomas, Wills and Jones are locks to go in the 1st round. As desperate as teams are for help at OT, I could see Austin Jackson and maybe Ezra Cleveland going in the 1st round. That's only 7 at most (and maybe only 5-6), not 8. I don't see any way that Prince Tega Wanogho, Isaiah Wilson or any of the other OTs go in the 1st round, even as desperate as teams are for OL help. I think the only other OL likely to go in the first round Cesar Ruiz. That would make 8 OL, but not 8 OTs.
The hard part about the draft is that when people say things like the "top 5 WR" or the "1st round WRs" that is subject to the opinions of the scouting department and coaching staff of those respective teams. So IMO the better debate to have is: If all things created equal that production would be similar between the top set of WR's and the top set of OT's, which one would you go with at pick 11 if both available? You can then maybe project and say, for 10 years would I rather have a Dbrick or Deandre Hopkins? I think if Joe Douglas feels he has a franchise LT available, that's the pick. You just better be sure that tackle prospect pans out to be a 10 year fixture if your passing up on a future star WR. We should be going with the safest prospect--we can't afford to heavily way upside here and take risks. Right now, many are putting Justin Jefferson in that top grouping and saying he might be the safest. And for Oline, many are now saying there's top 3 (Wirfs, Becton and Wills) with Andrew Thomas falling into that second rung. IF that is true, which I'm not saying it is, I would not take Thomas over Lamb. The 11 pick is not for a second rung prospect, so if you feel that strongly to take an OT--better trade down and then pull he trigger.
Sorry, I meant the top 8 OT’s won’t be there for the Jets at pick 48 (rd. 2) and the drop off they say is big from that point. As much as I would like one of the top WR’s in this draft, there’s a lot more depth at WR vs OT.
That's kinda what I am saying. Douglas has graded all these prospects. He may have 2 of the "top 4 OLs" he likes and thinks fit what he is building. If those 2 are gone and the next rated player is a receiver you take the receiver. I personally think Wills isn't worth the 11th pick, there are to many questions. Thomas on the other hand has no where near as many questions and I wouldn't mind having him for 10 years. I would take Lamb or Jeudy over Wills or Ruggs. But that's my opinion, Douglas will have his rating and pick from that.
I disagree. There will be 5-6 that go round 1. The teams picking before us in round 2 may have already taken a tackle if they need one. There are A LOT of other prospects that are better than these tackles. I doubt 8 are gone. There are only 9-10 that may even go in the 1st 2 rounds. There may only be 8 that go in the first 2 rounds. Douglas has a rating and you do not reach 10-20 spots for a player that isn't worth the pick. Chances are there will still be some of the top oline and wr in round 3-4 because there are great prospects at other positions. If he has one of those OT with a 4.8 rating but the WR has a 6.2 you absolutely take the WR.
No problem. That makes a lot more sense to me. I think there still could be an OT or two worth taking at #48, but definitely all the better ones will be gone. That's why I think the pick at #11 will either be an OT, or Douglas will sign Peters or Beacham. I just can't see him going into the season with Fant and Edoga as his only two OTs, or them plus a 2nd or 3rd round rookie.
With the sharp dropoff in talent level of OTs, I hope the pick at #11 is one of the top 4 OTs or Douglas trades down a little and takes Josh Jones. There will still be an excellent WR at #48. I can't imagine anyone saying that Thomas is not one of the top 3 LT prospects and that he belongs in the second rung. He's the most experienced and best OT of the top 4 imo. He's not a great fit for a movement, zone blocking scheme, but has fewer flaws than any of the others imo.
Honestly I don't love where the jets are picking in rd. 2. It seems like if you pick a WR at 11, they will need to double dip OL in rd. 2+3 and the same thing applies to WR and unfortunately the Jets have a lot more needs vs picks... They really don’t have starting Left OT so it’s either trade for Trent Williams, sign Jason Peter, draft one at #11 or trade down slightly and pick one at 15-25. I don’t see JD selecting a WR at #11 based on their current roster (maybe that changes)... unless of course he is another inept GM...
So Joe Douglas is inept of he takes the best player of a position we desperately need at 11 instead of the 3rd or 4th best OT because we also need one of those?
