I'm not sure why anyone thinks this guy would settle for a reasonable contract. He will want to break the bank. Tough to blame him after reaching All-Pro honors in his third year. I could see him wanting something similar to Landon Collins. I was very vocal about trading him for a slew of draft picks. I still think if the right offer is there then you have to consider it. I do rescind my want to trade him though. He's a really good player, and we should try to keep him if the offer doesn't blow our balls off.
Ur probably right. But if we're gonna have to pay a king's ransom, why start paying it 2 years early? Jamal is due $3.5M next season. Why add $10M+ a year early if he's not willing to give an overall discount in exchange for getting paid NOW? He could sign a 4yr, $50M NOW, or wait 2 years and sign a 4yr $60M. Why give him $60M now? (or whatever the numbers are)
It's inevitable that the Jets will have to pay him exorbitantly. I get that he has only so much control over our W-L record but I want to see Adams play and shine in meaningful games.
Basically how I feel. Try to extend him, but be open to dealing him if he asks for too much or a team presents an offer that's too good to refuse such as two 1's and a 2.
Ok, so this sets the context Adams will be looking at. Both were drafted in the 2017 draft. Both are the impact players in the secondary for their teams. Both have been All-Pro's at an early age, which obviously is the best early indicator of a great career. Those are the similarities. They're not the whole story though. The Bears only had next year before Jackson hit free agency. They didn't have a 5th year option on his rookie deal because he wasn't a 1st round pick. They were in franchise land after 2020 if they didn't lock him up now. They also had a great young player under contract who was going to be negotiating with a chip on his shoulder because he wasn't a high draft pick. He didn't get a lot of money on his first deal. Their hand was forced by circumstance and they did what they had too. The Jets and Jamal Adams have a bit more time if they need it to work out a deal. There's no question that the money is going to be in the range that the Bears and Jackson set. If things get twitchy between the Jets and Adams his price might be significantly more. It's incumbent on the Jets *and* Adams not to let things get to that point. Why on both of them and not just the Jets? Because Jamal Adams is a star in the biggest media market in the NFL. If the Jets star rises Adams will be right there with it. He'll be a Troy Polamalu/Ed Reed fixture in the NFL culture. The guy who was home grown and great from the get-go and clearly a prime mover in what will have to be a good to great Jets defense if they are going to make the rise happen. It may seem like Jamal Adams could hit the open market and get both a huge deal and land in a perfect spot to contend every year. That's a huge assumption and one unlikely to come to fruition. Huge deals come from teams looking to make a splash in free agency, often to win the off-season. Real contenders know that giving a lot of cap space to a fresh face is just asking to take a step down as the discontents in their own clubhouse grow and the cap is inevitably constrained. They know this because they weigh the value of any individual player vs the cap and locker room every year. If they're real contenders they make the right choices fairly consistently and avoid sticking their foot in a pit that cuts the franchise off at the knees. Jamal Adams is not getting a huge deal from a good team if he hits the open market. He's getting a good deal that protects the team if that type of team signs him. He certainly will get a huge deal if he has another great season or two and then hits the market but it's going to be to play for a team that values marketing over championships The Redskins, the Cowboys, the Browns, maybe the (Las Vegas) Raiders. Those are the teams that will just back up a Brink's truck for Adams and tell him to hop on. Then they'll continue to do what they do most years and a Super Bowl is not on that list. Those four teams have collectively won two more playoff games since 2000 than the Jets. Read that again. 8 playoff wins in 19 years is mediocre for a contender. By definition if it takes 3 teams (Redskins, Cowboys and Raiders) to do that there is not a real contender in the room. That's likely the reality of a record-breaking contract in free agency for Jamal Adams in 2 years. Look at Darrelle Revis pilgrimage around the NFL and his ring in New England for Jamal Adams likely fate if he hits free agency. Revis was great in NY with the Jets. He was never that presence in the room again after he left. He shared his ring with Tom Brady and Bill Belichick like a hundred other good players had. Whatever cap he wears in the HoF it's going to feel wrong probably for him and everybody else. He should just wear a cap that reads "ME". That would ring true. Ok, so why would the Jets not be looking for a good trade and a way out of their fix with this great, loud, emotional superstar who is going to want a huge contract? AYFKM? When was the last time the Jets had a generational star on defense who was not first guy on the plane out of town after the last game of the year win or lose? After 8-8 in 2011 there was a wonderful "human interest" blurb about Darrelle Revis leaving town, headed home for the off-season break. He was wearing a Cat in the Hat hat and told Jets fans not to worry, things would get better. What was he worried about - he had his money. Like most Jets fans I was pretty devastated about the collapse of the Jets down the stretch. I could look at the roster like anybody else and realize it was turning into a collection of mercenary vets with no attachment to NY and all on the down side of their careers. But to Revis everything looked good because he was taken care of. Now, let's start on the whining Adams does. He whines like a bitch about losing. Goddamn, so do I!!! He gets down in the locker room after nobody shows up in a game he took a fifteen yard personal foul in late because he was sick and tired of losing. Yeah it was immature but f*ck that he was just saying and doing what everybody who has thrown a bowl of chips across the room late in a game has done. As a Jets fan I want to see Jamal Adams locked up to a contract that has no clauses talking about public displays and twitter and comportment or any of that. I want him blowing up if this team doesn't turn around. He makes a great canary in the coal mine for the rest of us because he sees what is happening and he vents. We need more of that until the Jets develop the routine competence in drafting, coaching and player effort that contending teams are built around. I mostly think that the part of Adams that scares the Jets is that he is not controllable, that he is opinionated and not afraid to speak his mind. Well the Jets deserve that. They also need it if they want to get better any time soon. I'd go to Jamal Adams and say "this is not top of the market in overall numbers but we want to commit to you as a Jet for life." I'd offer him a take it or leave it (for this moment in time) 5 yrs $70M with all of it guaranteed for injury and $35M upfront in the way that best suits the current cap situation. I'd point out to him that if he stays healthy the upfront money means that he will be a bargain on the backend for the Jets - helping the team pay his teammates and bring in the odd free agent needed - and that if he gets hurt, well it's all guaranteed. I'd point out that he will be 29 when the contract expires and that if he is the kind of star he thinks and the Jets think he will be that he will have more value for the Jets than for anybody else at that point and another Jet-for-Life deal is by far the most likely outcome then too. I'd give him a no-trade and waive the franchise tag with him moving forward. Yeah it's buying in near the top right now but Jamal Adams is the kind of player you want to do that with and in 2022, 2023 and 2024 it won't look like that at all. I'd make sure he knew that upfront also. The point of the deal would be to make him a Jet for Life on a good team.
Br4d, I respect you as a forum member and your opinions hold weight in my mind. That said, I think the Jets sell high on Jamal this offseason. First team All-Pro is the pinnacle of the game and he’s so young yet. Unfortunately, safety, by all accounts is just not a position of luxury on a team collectively devoid of talent. We’re talking like 16m/yr for him at this point. It’s just not feasible on THIS team. I’ve been to training camp every year since they started at Atlantic Health in FP. Jamal is the most fan engaging and passionate player my family has seen. We absolutely love him and it would kill us to see him go but I think it would be the best move for the franchise right now. If the Jets can get two high picks for him and parlay them into an OL, CB or EDGE in addition to what we already have in the 2020 draft, it will be a huge help for a playoff push next year.
I think that trading Jamal Adams for anything other than clearly outstanding value is going to get the Jets crucified in the press and with the fans. I don't see anybody making the kind of offer for Adams that would make it acceptable to trade him. We'd need to get several picks back, and at least a high current 1st round pick plus potentially high future picks or a bundle of current year picks alongside that 1st. So let's say that the Cowboys come calling for Adams. They have the 17, 51, 82, 123, 165 and 232nd picks in the 2020 draft. They have 1st through 6th picks in the 2021 draft. They have a definite need for a strong safety at this point as incumbent Jeff Heath is not a good starter although he has some depth value. The 17 pick and the 1st round pick in 2021 would be openers here. The Jets would have to get very lucky to replace Adams value on the 17 pick and the guy they took there would be under tremendous pressure because of who he was traded for. The Jets might think they could mitigate the pressure on him but really they couldn't because *ta da* they'd be running for cover themselves if the guy was not an immediate star level player, let alone a franchise-altering bust. A 1st round pick coming up in 2021 wouldn't do anything to keep the angry villagers and their pitchforks at bay during 2020, not with the tri-state press urging them on at every turn. So the answer to that existential dilemma for the Jets and the Johnson ownership would be to demand a bucketful of picks back from the Cowboys in return for Adams. So, the 17, the 51, a later pick, the 2020 1st and probably a mid round pick as well. The trade has much less chance of being perceived as an immediate disaster if the 17 pick has some time to develop before people go volcanic over the loss of Adams. Having a couple of other guys to look at out of the draft this year plus another 1st and mid round pick in 2021 covers the Jets to a much better degree than possible bust plus playoff 1st round in 2021 would. At this point the Cowboys are likely to decide the deal just doesn't make sense for them. Which is fine, really no deal that covers the Jets in an Adams trade is going to look like a no-brainer from the other side. It's going to look like a head-scratcher that you probably can't do. From the Jets perspective if they take an offer that is easy for another team to make then the Jets are assuming all the risk in the deal and what's the benefit gained from that? The Cowboys and Jets also have the problem that Jamal Adams hates the Cowboys, being raised a Giants fan by his dad who was actually a Giant player. Let's turn the problem on it's head and look from the Jets perspective at places they might get the value they wanted from any trade of Adams. The teams that place a high premium on winning the off-season (aside from the Jets and Cowboys who we've covered above) are the Redskins, Giants, Browns and Raiders (pending Gruden's third season which will be telling as the Raiders are moving to a new town and want to make a splash). The Redskins are one of the few teams in the NFL that would not benefit much from adding Adams to the roster. They won the off-season last year by getting Landon Collins to play SS for them. The Giants would certainly benefit from adding Adams, since he is a fan of the team and likely would become a fan favorite very quickly. However the dynamics of a Jet-Giant trade that involves a back page skirmish that could last for decades are poor. I guess the basis for the trade would be a straight up swap of hometown heros with Adams to the Giants and Saquon Barkley (who is a Jets fan) to the Jets. I don't think either team would be jumping at the chance to make that deal although it might make some real sense for both in the long-term. The Jets would still have the Leveon Bell situation to manage and the Giants probably don't want to take anything away from Daniel Jones going into his first full season as the starter. The thing about an Adams for Barkley swap is that it would likely be cap neutral for both teams and the back pages and fan bases of the respective teams would be twisted in knots about what to make of it early on. This would likely prevent either team from getting blown out in the court of public opinion early on. In any case it isn't going to happen. It would take Gettleman getting fired for the Giants to even look at the deal. They'd also probably have to move Jabrill Peppers for some value to have the deal make sense for them. Peppers is like a poor mans Jamal Adams. The Browns make big splashy moves all the time but I don't see them ponying up the kind of offer the Jets would need, not after the OBJ trade last year and Myles Garret's indefinite suspension. The Raiders are moving to Las Vegas and will want to make a big splash coming into town. They want to keep the Raiders fans coming from the Bay Area and also become the tourist's delight in Las Vegas. That's the only thing that makes sense with the move. Jon Gruden is known for splashy moves and he may decide that Adams is good enough to make a push for. Karl Joseph went on IR headed into unrestricted free agency and the Raiders SS position is wide open headed into 2020. What would the Raiders be able to give the Jets for Adams? A similar but better package to what the Cowboys have available given the Raiders have 2 1st rounders this year. They maybe matchup with the Jets fears over trading Adams better than any other team at this point. They could give up a couple of 1's without breaking a major sweat at this point. This assuming that Gruden still wants Carr and isn't going to use one of those picks to go on the hunt for a QB in the draft.
Contract extension negotiations have begun for the best safety in the league. Yall can take that trade talk and put it where the sun don't shine. PREZ LUV!
Absolutely. He really rubbed me the wrong way with the way he handled the deadline but he’s the best player at his position. You don’t let him walk. I don’t care if you think safety isn’t an important position, when you have the best one... yes it is.
If we do extend Adams, I refuse to get excited until/unless he shows that he isn't just the latest Jet to drop off after he gets paid. And before anyone says "But Adams would never drop off!" people said the same thing about all the other big-money guys who dropped off. It's what happens when you have a losing culture.
Mo was probably the most talented guy we had before, and Revis too but in a way there were warning signs, we acknowledged them but didn't think that when they got paid they would suck.
There are warning signs with Adams too. Remember the circus in the middle of the season where he and Douglas got into it? They apparently made up, but that's still a warning sign.
Did Douglas get into it? IIRC, it was Adams who was upset at Douglas when he learned that they listened to offers. Any good GM should do that, but Jamal took it as Douglas was actively shopping him.
A simple question. Why bother drafting a player in the top ten if a few years later you aren't willing to pay him what he's worth if he becomes a superstar the kind of player one hopes to get (but in the Jets case has rarely happened) with that kind of pick? Pay the man.
not the same signs IMO, Adams was all about commitment; Revis was a product of Tanny telling him he can have whatever he wants along with his mercenary attitude, Mo just slacked off, got hurt and lost his love.
